From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jun 10 05:42:26 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:42:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MEN8L-0004DN-RU for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:42:26 -0700 Received: from mail-gx0-f207.google.com ([209.85.217.207]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MEN8I-0004Cl-Vg for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:42:25 -0700 Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3so2655844gxk.10 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:42:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ePZrM3ufry4Tt85PBVx2ts6wXjY8bM0oAOeZAnRc8lw=; b=oFMo0h7sB0WRMncq+Z6bTfNvwxjNMYKCb+5RmC3MyAzZlJtqQoH8JiAqa7LaYtQ//m mJjdVccvROFOmpCkfbyDhCDpbMK6Fb3PXyFhH9/kGEKSw6yzq2bnk/oGSIOXtpNEFE9q UuVPCB6Z/zviFmfQ/CikvS3SVGYKuV1SY1x9Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=DAK1mdQvmvkHsWpsUuXq5WbCMMaF1wbOAIfTcAC/ye/eU5ea1iXPrxM0/wH4cZ7Esq ml2RJyn9p9SD0OVWEYbHWozzY/ZIX/y0BOLpijLZclP8JpCDoyxS7+lvuUZ8/PUz9gDR UVLq5W4ySE5OzlHNhwe+eUx2S3rxPqw8WSfAs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.49.3 with SMTP id w3mr1094235agw.46.1244637736586; Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:42:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5715b9300906092121u5b8718eeid04021a756f6a35a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4de8c3930906080850i28870a74r5d71a40d4d030924@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560906081007q4521505ds28e5a9a5f379c4e6@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930906091424n7803df0ay84ef17a85de13449@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560906091827p12a6ed31q5fba406df1991e6d@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300906092121u5b8718eeid04021a756f6a35a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 09:42:16 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560906100542h4b7f2c64vca6884239c044138@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: zo za'u jo'u zo me'i From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 1804 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: > Is that true xorxes?  I thought that jV was for tanru logical connectives > while V alone was for sumti connections. That's how it is. jV is for some other types of connections as well: sentences ".i je", termsets "pe'e je", the never used and utterly useless abstractor connection ("nu je ka"), MEX operators ("su'i ja vu'u") and tags ("pu je ca"). And A is not only for sumti connections but also for MEX operand connections. > I like the idea of explicitely > differentiating between tanru connectives and sumti connectives.  It seems > like being able to differentiate between "lo zdani .e lo zarci" and "lo > zdani je zarci" would be handy in certain situations. Yes, but what I'm saying is that you don't really need different words to make that distinction. "lo zdani je lo zarci" is still different from "lo zdani je zarci". And in fact that's how it works for example with "joi", the same word is used in both types of connections. mu'o mi'e xorxes