From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Jun 11 16:32:21 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MEtkr-0007nX-FM for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:32:21 -0700 Received: from ol.freeshell.org ([192.94.73.20] helo=sdf.lonestar.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MEtko-0007ms-5O for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:32:21 -0700 Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:jwodder@iceland.freeshell.org [192.94.73.5]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n5BNWGVN008616 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:32:16 GMT Received: (from jwodder@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.12.8/Submit) id n5BNWGf6028014 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:32:16 GMT Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:32:16 +0000 From: Minimiscience To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: cu Message-ID: <20090611233215.GB3369@sdf.lonestar.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org References: <5715b9300906111544u751611daodbbab337b2c25a0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5715b9300906111544u751611daodbbab337b2c25a0@mail.gmail.com> Organization: SDF Public Access UNIX System User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-archive-position: 1820 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: minimiscience@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners de'i li 11 pi'e 06 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Luke Bergen .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > so I recently saw something like "lo nu zo cu cu cizra cu cizra" > > Now, does the second cu break out of the abstraction .skamyxatra No. The first "{cu}" is quoted by the "{zo}" to create a {sumti}, and the second "{cu}" (which happens to be superfluous) merely denotes that what follows is the main {selbri} of the current {bridi}, which is still within the abstraction. The abstraction does not end until the third "{cu}." (Robin's response suggested this in everything but the "yes," but I think he either miscounted the "{cu}"s or misinterpreted the term "break out.") > as in "lo nu zo cu [ku] cu..." That's not a valid abstraction. A abstraction (unlike a sentence) must contain a main {selbri}, which "{zo cu}" lacks. mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. -- do ta'e pilno le va valsi .i mi na jinvi lodu'u ri valsi da poi do jinvi lodu'u ri valsi ke'a