From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jun 24 20:27:03 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MJfc6-0000RK-E6 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:27:03 -0700 Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.136]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MJfc1-0000Pu-Sl for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:27:02 -0700 Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a42ee75197; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:26:45 -0400 Received: from MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id d.cad.516eec74 (14502) for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:26:43 -0400 (EDT) From: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:26:43 EDT Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: stupid question To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cad.516eec74.37744873_boundary" X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.201 X-archive-position: 1884 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --part1_cad.516eec74.37744873_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/24/2009 21:19:52 Eastern Daylight Time, komfoamonan@gmail.com writes: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> So here's an off-the-wall question. Would the three following >> sentences mean the same thing (emphasis and all)? >> >> klama >> zo'e klama zo'e zo'e zo'e zo'e >> > > I'd say they all mean the same thing. The first two are technically > equivalent, although I imagine most hearers would seek an agenda behind all those > {zo'e}. Also, of course, the first could be interpreted as an observative, > while the others could not. The third, I think, is tautological. > > mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan > > > I'd say the first two mean essentially, if not exactly, the same thing. None of the places in either sentence is filled with any kind of semantic content. All of the places, on the other hand, are filled in the third sentence, albeit with obvious arguments. So in the first sentence all arguments are omitted, in the second they are all explicitly suppressed, and in the third one they are all explicitly mentioned. But the net effect is probably the same in all three. mu'o mi'e stevon --part1_cad.516eec74.37744873_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a messag= e dated 6/24/2009 21:19:52 Eastern Daylight Time, komfoamonan@gmail.com wr= ites:


On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at= 11:42 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeab= ergen@gmail.com> wrote:
So here's an off-the-wa= ll question.  Would the three following sentences mean the same thing= (emphasis and all)?

klama
zo'e klama zo'e zo'e zo'e zo'e
lo klama cu klama lo se klama lo te klama lo ve klama lo xe klama

I'd say they all mean the same thing. The first two are technically eq= uivalent, although I imagine most hearers would seek an agenda behind all= those {zo'e}. Also, of course, the first could be interpreted as an obser= vative, while the others could not. The third, I think, is tautological.

mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan




I'd say the first two mean essentially, if not exactly, the same thing= .  None of the places in either sentence is filled with any kind of= semantic content.  All of the places, on the other hand, are filled= in the third sentence, albeit with obvious arguments.  So in the fir= st sentence all arguments are omitted, in the second they are all explicit= ly suppressed, and in the third one they are all explicitly mentioned. &nb= sp;
But the net effect is probably the same in all three.  

mu'o mi'e stevon --part1_cad.516eec74.37744873_boundary--