From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Jul 02 07:12:39 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 02 Jul 2009 07:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MMN1i-0006re-Kl for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 07:12:38 -0700 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.241]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MMN1b-0006lp-KK for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 07:12:38 -0700 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so912876rvf.46 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 07:12:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=eB+ilBHJPvOAWzj+1LsoRdG3S3Pr1KhZljlbljPTPwM=; b=NJ/jVRMsLLlPPC1Qy3O8i78aMcsrl5031BPFJu+fkhXBbqn/60mRudcUkJk9oMYAYi wBCXj0y4jupvQzkRmtU5Pc+1Xa56UKLwyFhPemAVL3kF/q0MO92o18j7hMZ+xXHNrB6w 0AN4ByW9DLOtl5upKSLfxEOcvrspMOUR/cTC0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BS9H8amaKv+pcgTZQdTZDoNDvpn8aJ0BGjl4d/CqyNGyRS+vZ8vos5npMxPV1G0d7V 7T4PaxFrTy5o1i15ULoNawWND3GirD67kcfAvOudRZv5dnkpmbpBDkTwPtshgEzbLB7h F70JX0ND8bNjQXnvLW58KxoD5gfwA18YDjpnQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.157.4 with SMTP id f4mr144294rve.33.1246543950326; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 07:12:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <96f789a60906300635g2dd61652p8795f50cecde83e6@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60907010505n290d6dc8re1a23ba18f7a4d21@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560907010551s4e891ddckd05914a4f4276f8a@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560907010801s80af284see3da3198e7d248f@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560907020526j58e3af49w5de474478ed8083f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:12:30 -0400 Message-ID: <96f789a60907020712k2545766cx8150cdd81481aba6@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: xorlo quanitifiers From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 1922 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ko sanji doi semiul. lo du'u la xorxes mi na tugni la'e do'i .i mi jinvi lo du'u pa cmevla noi panra pa drata cemvla goi ko'a lo ka selbasna ku'o drata ko'a seni'i lo du'u vo'a joi ko'a cmene lo su'o re mei --gejyspa (and before I drive off any (more?) beginners, since this is a beginners list, I'll briefly recap some the dialogue.... Samuel is teaching a class of 25 students in his summer camp the language lojban. Being that he feels that his level of lojban isn't expert, he wants to ask a few questions as they come up. One question that came up was how to express "Justin" in lojban since both vowel sounds (short u and schwa) are represented the same in lojban -"y", and furthermore, the rules of lojban state that "y" must always be unstressed, whereas the English name should be stressed on the first syllable. Xorxes stated that it doesn't really matter which syllable is stressed, the words would be the same (just like with cmavo, and unlike brivla), and I am currently advising Samuel that Xorxes and I have disagreed about this in the past, that I believe that stress can be and is a distinguishing feature in cmevla as well. Okay, as you were, beginners....) On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Sam Bader wrote: > ki'e xorxes. > > mu'o mi'e .semiul. > > 2009/7/2 Jorge Llambías >> >> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Sam Bader wrote: >> > .a'i.i'o >> > zo DJYStyn. zo djysTYN. mintu lo ka sinxa lo valsi kei .enai lo ka >> > selbasna >> > .ixu no le re cmene cu mintu zo djystyn. lo ka selbasna .iri'abo no le >> > slaka >> > pe zo djystyn. cu selbasna vau xu >> >> .i do tavla fi vei pa .enai re cmene .i do zifre lo nu basna lo pa moi >> slaka .a lo re moi slaka .a ro lo re slaka .a no lo re slaka vu'o pe >> le pa cmene po'u zo djystyn no'u zo DJYStyn no'u zo djysTYN >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >> >> >> > >