From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Jul 30 07:12:24 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MWWMp-0003bg-KN for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:12:23 -0700 Received: from mail-yx0-f174.google.com ([209.85.210.174]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MWWMk-0003SL-Si for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:12:22 -0700 Received: by yxe4 with SMTP id 4so1276834yxe.28 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:12:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=NzDm2eP90VKP5v3VlAzJz4Sa0le4TaOL3u2AM3VGfqo=; b=I4Gnnibhrprz39HjEEJRRbjpcE2dePDxpJcZYKw963/dV+65JuoLttj0XAAxzMVoye qb0WfTguGFhOvaYm4ypxyLGzzdHqoc1i41ng3v0JtgwWfP+UsEJnWgCph6Gjl7Wjar2e AxA5CGXXvVNA61/COPYJ0hx5u+2bu1XinKDKU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hlp9J4C5JFxT4H/xWs0y4xJqrT5NoedbUGw8VPYs4JA+zXJ/Q8e6GsvESaHYbXmrGY 816ambOWkqlUQcQhI71NxjgP3l83UpqTJo93f/8L7b7AzFT4YRRbpyZMWEyaFF6CGttT UABiYFAl9i66et8g/rPsKO86HR9TN3QiU3kRA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.53.15 with SMTP id b15mr2170469yba.253.1248963132739; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:12:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5715b9300907300706o28425300udff7e9b1ca1c02a6@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9300907300630r27e6c146sca1155e910db6e3c@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60907300702x3039b7cam445f045e4572c892@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300907300706o28425300udff7e9b1ca1c02a6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:12:12 -0400 Message-ID: <96f789a60907300712y9758f24r7f091c39eb2780b3@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: bridi at From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 1967 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners (BTW, the discussion thread on di'o and friends can be found starting at the bottom of http://www.lojban.org/eo/lists/lojban-beginners/msg04809.html ) On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: > .ua .u'a > > I hadn't even thought of bu'u. > > ki'e > > - Luke Bergen > > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: >> > So here is a form that I find myself wanting to say often but never >> > knowing >> > exactly how I should say it. >> > >> > How would you translate "I talked to myself at the store"? Of the three >> > location gismu {diklo}, {zvati}, and {stuzi}... {zvati} seemed like it >> > most >> > closely mirrored what I was looking for, but I couldn't find any modals >> > for >> > it. Then I thought, "maybe you could do like {mi tavla mi vi lo >> > zarci}". >> > Would that be correct or is there a modal that I should be using? >> > >> > As a side question, what are the exact differences between diklo, zvati, >> > and >> > stuzi (and consequently, their modals also). >> > >> > - Luke Bergen >> > >> >> >> The general consensus seems to be use the tense bu'u in most such >> cases (although you can use sedi'o). The differences between the >> three gismu have been discussed before (you can (and I'd advise you >> to) check the lojban-beginner archives fpor the longer discussion), >> but basically, stuzi is generally assumed to be more permanent (France >> is in Europe), while zvati is temporary (I am at the store). Diklo, >> in my understanding, is specifically contrasting something localized >> within a wider area (I'm in the north of town). >> >> --gejyspa >> >> >> > >