From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Aug 05 17:05:06 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MYqTi-0002wL-3V for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:05:06 -0700 Received: from kcout02.prserv.net ([12.154.55.32]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MYqTb-0002tA-Hy for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:05:05 -0700 Received: from [192.168.0.102] (cpe-67-249-56-101.twcny.res.rr.com[67.249.56.101]) by prserv.net (kcout02) with SMTP id <2009080600045120200kl7m5e> (Authid: usinet.kpreid); Thu, 6 Aug 2009 00:04:52 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.249.56.101] Message-Id: From: Kevin Reid To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <11CC7260-CE8B-47BF-8748-D7596A48218D@choi.name> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Whitespace in written text Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:04:48 -0400 References: <11CC7260-CE8B-47BF-8748-D7596A48218D@choi.name> X-archive-position: 1992 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: kpreid@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Aug 5, 2009, at 18:22, Joshua Choi wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I'd like to ask—seeing that written cmavo are often clustered and > Lojban is intended to be unambiguous in speech—is whitespace > completely optional and ignorable in written Lojban (with the > exception of dipthongs)? For instance: > > la mari,as. ninmu .i dunda fi la .alis. fe le cukta .i ta blota .i > ti cmalu be le ka canlu bei lo'e > ckule be'o nixli be li mu bei merko be'o bo ckule la bryklyn. loi > pemci la mela nu,IORK. > prenu la jecta. ni'o > > > lamari > ,as > .ninmu.idundafila.alis.felecukta.itablota.iticmalubelekacanlubeilo'eck > > ulebe'onixlibelimubeimerkobe'obockulelabryklyn > .loipemcilamelanu,IORK.pren > ulajecta.ni'o No. Word breaks are ambiguous (I don't have an example handy) unless you either use " " or "." between words, or mark the penultimate- syllable stress on brivla. That is: "lamari ,as .NINmu .iDUNdafila .alis .feleCUKta .itaBLOta .itiCMAlubelekaCANlubeilo'eCKUlebe'oNIXlibelimubeiMERkobe'oboCKUlelabryklyn .loiPEMcilamelanu,IORK.PREnulaJECta.ni'o" (or with nonstandard accent stress marks: "lamari ,as .nínmu .idúndafila .alis .felecúkta .itablóta .iticmálubelekacánlubeilo'eckúlebe'oníxlibelimubeimérkobe'obockúlelabryklyn .loipémcilamelanu,íórk.prénulajécta.ni'o") Also, you have an unnecessary "." between "jecta" and "ni'o". > lamari,as.ninmu.idun > dafila.alis.felec ukta.itabl ota.iticmalubel ekacanlub ei > lo'eck > ul eb e ' onix libelimubeim > erkobe'obockulelabryklyn.loipemcila melanu,IORK.pren > ulajecta . ni'o This is not permitted. Words may not be broken by space. It could be made an unambiguous but nonstandard form by including space. -- Kevin Reid