From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Aug 05 22:44:43 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MYvmN-000449-HD for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:44:43 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.249]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MYvmK-000440-2g for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:44:43 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d40so773079and.1 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:44:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=iedrPH6l/8jC8BsisNgHZBeoDW9dxK98kpQoimGORkM=; b=b9HBOpylH9rBsum79BNpFZO0oh0wmSmBLX1EdfXPbcx4PnzpaJTncmwGw2azXB0eQC EsGmApIyWfS/IhFLEoRJrussujxWTfEVRW9yDfo233h18s1eXmKboOwXvId5KQsR8oj9 /2jmgbg3473giPbDiFfHSWxdPOWlyUWktrARA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=Ib3Blwcroe960yAC9hFwrm58J36+nIrMo53OEPUrgEFHmm56BuGRNxv85JFmj1Z8Xu 7HNhgZcIhrvna9EwMl4MnSEV48iuItHmcV/TuIrDFGYk2cOEEiKrvQOOwYHv5/bK5daS r20vRkdaAiMSg15g+lTCShy+3EM19nHgOWQ4U= Received: by 10.100.110.15 with SMTP id i15mr1849607anc.100.1249537478907; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.106? (ip68-226-115-170.ph.ph.cox.net [68.226.115.170]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c40sm1298895anc.7.2009.08.05.22.44.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Joshua Choi To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <200908052219.50632.phma@phma.optus.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Whitespace in written text Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:44:36 -0700 References: <11CC7260-CE8B-47BF-8748-D7596A48218D@choi.name> <200908052219.50632.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-archive-position: 1995 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: joshua@choi.name Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners I understand—thanks everyone; I didn't think about stress. So stress is significant and along with pauses. So that means that Mr. Reid's "lamari,as.NINmu.iDUNdafila.alis.feleCUKta.itaBLOta" is valid Lojban text. Two more questions! 1) Is it okay for the spaces be omitted around a period in Lojban text? I don't think there can be any ambiguity there: la mari,as.ninmu .i dunda fi la.alis.fe le cukta .i ta blota 2) Lojban has mandatory pauses, but is it okay in speech for a pause to happen anywhere (as it's bound to happen in human conversation): Spoken: la . mari.as . ninmu . . . i dunda . . fi la .alis. fe le . cukta . i . ta blota On 5 August 2009, at 7:19 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Wednesday 05 August 2009 20:04:48 Kevin Reid wrote: >> No. Word breaks are ambiguous (I don't have an example handy) unless >> you either use " " or "." between words, or mark the penultimate- >> syllable stress on brivla. > > Here are some examples: > "lo jbojbe na lojbo jbena lo jbojbena" consists of three parts > differing only > by spaces in writing, and by stress in speech. > "le krataigo" means "the hawthorn". "lekrataigo", if "le" is > stressed, lexes > as "lekra tai go", which is meaningless, but is part of the > syntactically > valid sentence "mi lekra tai go do gi ko'a". > > Pierre > > >