From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Aug 20 08:56:26 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:56:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MeA01-0004vK-IJ for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:56:26 -0700 Received: from mail-px0-f194.google.com ([209.85.216.194]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Me9zu-0004tl-4I for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:56:25 -0700 Received: by pxi32 with SMTP id 32so3015582pxi.25 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:56:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=lk4qO6/hMBxMsm+YIuys6HNImbLtkaKLAzPG03iZlw4=; b=aM/AWz7MFjWUQywM+cCCZCqZutKmMRoJtJ07+gXLwWAwD+ldKkBkIAFB/FftRxaoqW VieKzUlRzpfEDPn9A8q7CWYsIrxxr3gj3TKcAdTiM+4ZGrY5zZccPJTaKjH9bq3O1WX8 chznK47umNGfX5CkuFIxyWt7R4vTpMq9RVp+c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XN85+ZEEZCRdeH7z6Dou5bOe4cTAeH3AJW3oLPEtaDROagTw2LVzbJNOmIxg2xe+p9 7cyipnQiIPVo4jDNKzp6f6yizLM06gJxT1DoOFxSaW9c3cqlVhGCp0yygyz+LwA18XwM BoCKeeeCS4Gm4oG8ciYHXBjMPJNUVrbM8V5YI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.131.6 with SMTP id i6mr1309223wfn.340.1250783772385; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:56:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5715b9300908200731lc1a4ba8s642007a3a81afdba@mail.gmail.com> References: <4de8c3930908200722q955bd1x8bc039ed44060420@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300908200731lc1a4ba8s642007a3a81afdba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:56:12 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560908200856u4c49d587j5d4141ad7b96ae1e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Referring to selma'o in Lojban From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2054 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: > ooo, that's interesting?  So in {ba'e zei selma'o} does the {zei} evaluate > first and create the lujvo first or does {ba'e} evaluate first and say "this > is REALLY a lujvo"? ZEI acts first, because ZEI is a "magic word" and BAhE isn't. Magic words are: BU, ZEI, ZO, LOhU-LEhU, ZOI, SI, SA, SU. These are words that ignore the selma'o of words they act upon. (BAhE on the other hand respects the selma'o of the word it emphasizes, it doesn't ignore it like "magic words" do.) > I don't know why I find battle between words so interesting {zo si si si} > etc... The rule that the camxes parser uses for those word battles is "first come first served". The jbofi'e parser probably disagrees in some cases. BU, ZEI and SI, which act on the "preceding word", will act on a full prededing block if another word has already acted, so "zo si" forms one block (controlled by "zo" because it comes first) and the next "si" will delete the whole block. Another "si" will delete whatever word precedes that. mu'o mi'e xorxes