From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Aug 20 10:19:45 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MeBIe-0004I4-SX for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:19:45 -0700 Received: from mail-vw0-f179.google.com ([209.85.212.179]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MeBIZ-0004Hr-1m for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:19:44 -0700 Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so54993vws.25 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:19:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=qXocVcHFtqCRdg570Q9+d/4byAPyXSaNMZy+G3AOlwA=; b=e9q7F4upOAhSLv1nDDuAfJ7AJEwrvzvB+XwdasI62QuHsMUs4AGT9wPBh2Xsvy1e4V z7Q1BdRqChVDdBLHEamVbNr6iJ8rjIKgrCyqn/r96z9qjCORgbmh6vSB4XyKR5NzDkW2 aZmZKSojESZagIa7KRFwp8mRfc/AMgHt52O+M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=gsnTGXA8Er1l01ANsNq27US9gWaO7Pye9Nd1yP0BjAu3R1KFPgmpBGcDmU5tt4jyh2 OfLY2GKjVGsLOfLwuoPViOtl7yI107l4tWUt/ns4Se5aTUJ1uaNv4igPbJyQ1rXzSlKJ dezv07UdivL5ufGZqFGKiiM8nWcLACWnDZToM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.103.135 with SMTP id k7mr63245vco.59.1250788772918; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:19:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <925d17560908200918m3460c546t1309bc942049dd04@mail.gmail.com> References: <4de8c3930908200722q955bd1x8bc039ed44060420@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300908200731lc1a4ba8s642007a3a81afdba@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560908200856u4c49d587j5d4141ad7b96ae1e@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300908200901p5c7b065du5a923b34df067f1f@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560908200918m3460c546t1309bc942049dd04@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:19:32 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300908201019v417d3179t6198e6be0bd7fd60@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Referring to selma'o in Lojban From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e646a45c7fb6f0047195f4ff X-archive-position: 2059 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0016e646a45c7fb6f0047195f4ff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable so, what's the official word then? Has the LLG/BPFK said what this *should*be? I believe the CLL uses the example of {gerku zo si si si} =3D {gerku} (not "gerku" exactly but for illustration purposes...) but I know other things have changed since the CLL, is this one of those things or are those cases where it equals {} considered "mistakes"? tl;dr all *opinions* aside, what's the official stance on {zo si si si}? 2009/8/20 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Luke Bergen wrote= : > > oh, I understood it to be {zo si} creates a block and then another {si} > only > > erases the quoted word, not the {zo} itself, thus {gerku zo si si si} > would > > equal {gerku} not {}. Or am I misunderstanding you? > > For camxes it's {}, the rule is "first come first served", so "si" > cannot erase a word that "zo" has already quoted, "zo" has priority > over that word. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > > --0016e646a45c7fb6f0047195f4ff Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable so, what's the official word then?=A0 Has the LLG/BPFK said what this <= i>should be?=A0

I believe the CLL uses the example of {gerku zo= si si si} =3D {gerku} (not "gerku" exactly but for illustration = purposes...) but I know other things have changed since the CLL, is this on= e of those things or are those cases where it equals {} considered "mi= stakes"?

tl;dr=A0 all opinions aside, what's the official stance on {= zo si si si}?

2009/8/20 Jorge Llamb=EDas = <jjllambias@gm= ail.com>
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Luke Bergen<lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> oh, I understood it to be {zo si} creates a block and then another {si= } only
> erases the quoted word, not the {zo} itself, thus {gerku zo si si si} = would
> equal {gerku} not {}.=A0 Or am I misunderstanding you?

For camxes it's {}, the rule is "first come first served&quo= t;, so "si"
cannot erase a word that "zo" has already quoted, "zo" = has priority
over that word.

mu'o mi'e xorxes




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