From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Aug 20 19:10:23 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:10:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MeJaB-0005i9-Cf for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:10:23 -0700 Received: from ol.freeshell.org ([192.94.73.20] helo=sdf.lonestar.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MeJa8-0005hv-1A for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:10:23 -0700 Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:jwodder@iceland.freeshell.org [192.94.73.5]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n7L2ACIB003227 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 02:10:12 GMT Received: (from jwodder@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.12.8/Submit) id n7L2AA8h026848 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 02:10:11 GMT Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 02:10:10 +0000 From: Minimiscience To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: proper pronunciation of apostrophe Message-ID: <20090821021006.GA28775@sdf.lonestar.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org References: <817821.10705.qm@web110504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20090820223413.GA28577@sdf.lonestar.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: SDF Public Access UNIX System User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-archive-position: 2068 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: minimiscience@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners de'i li 20 pi'e 08 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Joshua Choi .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > Just wondering, what reasoning was behind the decision to give the "h" > sound a uniquely different symbol, the apostrophe? Was it to emphasize > that it could represent any unused unvoiced fricative? Was it because it > looked nicer in certain cmavo? .skamyxatra Section 3.3 of the CLL states: > The apostrophe represents a phoneme similar to a short, breathy English > ``h'', (IPA [h]). The letter ``h'' is not used to represent this sound for > two reasons: primarily in order to simplify explanations of the morphology, > but also because the sound is very common, and the apostrophe is a visually > lightweight representation of it. The apostrophe sound is a consonant in > nature, but is not treated as either a consonant or a vowel for purposes of > Lojban morphology (word-formation), which is explained in Chapter 4. In > addition, the apostrophe visually parallels the comma and the period, which > are also used (in different ways) to separate syllables. mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. -- no zo mi nenri zo bende