From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Aug 23 08:07:55 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 23 Aug 2009 08:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MfEfj-0001xE-IJ for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 08:07:55 -0700 Received: from web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.191]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MfEff-0001we-NU for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 08:07:55 -0700 Received: (qmail 26053 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2009 15:07:45 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1251040065; bh=ClHTlaFGz+ryKQBP7Jj48iVgOh95Pw/SbZuVMqwqyDA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Y/I+WuuToMa9mx2NtIvEWZJRvPa+2aVzMkCOOgjPpQ4gjtNfXg6s5abCQbH+JQRuQpii/aO2oVjapCsHCkh5+GKi23eCOYD1XOV31bPR0aJ15dRMKjHIdWBP4bf6ij01Pg0MmSzKrfdfYZ8MhhmazuR5PfDBeXnGxUoxAISB2HA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hRwlN4B5blyaZ1s8k3jbiic4NiWp2jcgLwTPh+MXmUlgyviyiFnD54++K3KbFfM352G7yG2LOd+tJKramK4wzg3Nj7uP39MI+SnE013a/HCAP32jNMN0FnCu+X89HqHnwZJQeSh9TM60SO0IF+K1yCxq7iKvc2CA08E/cDxGlU8=; Message-ID: <523048.25448.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: qUbM_z8VM1kcCkrZdfvbQfdEh_2nPP6NXtMAAwNV7GQY4nsDzJAVoCinjs84Pz6d1Wd10_p5NWP.4p7Rhot1OwtHEaz6QP8imJ1jJWuQO_IS_5xchFuxprBGkrkWQFnsG1BXnOCiK44fGK9cGm1YhLBReUPphVA0UidMkuP3fKFuw0pB.mxkRyuT0ACwbW6g0_pi.ZQ.ToZycrM1gpFKRDw6yw4lSGHkQ_t825LnEN.k4U9tFIaEe.lPz9M.mD8N33mcZ.N.IiHut17X0tRNSsTM96BEXuTsPeT.K29Z Received: from [99.229.170.85] by web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 08:07:45 PDT References: <20090821225617.GA1082@sdf.lonestar.org> <5a3750120908220037l2ea17eb1ue2dc1e3d9ce2cf65@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930908220408g21752c12yd44abd703bae9cc5@mail.gmail.com> <5a3750120908221037u6e49bec7ra8316c82dbbf5c03@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930908221226n38e5fbf0h1554794765d48876@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300908221250w6ee9da23r471adf911ff312df@mail.gmail.com> <425e4ac20908222135j51851de3y35792138d489ac2c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 08:07:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "The pen is mightier than the sword." To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <425e4ac20908222135j51851de3y35792138d489ac2c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam_score: 0.5 X-Spam_score_int: 5 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: ----- Original Message ---- > From: Stela Selckiku > To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:35:15 AM > Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "The pen is mightier than the sword." > > On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > > my lojban is nowhere near good enough to be able to understand discussion > > about lojban in lojban. Could someone give me a brief synopsis of what's > > being said here: I gather that it's a minor disagreement having something > > to do with stress/emphasis of sumti? > > > .ui sai > > Lojban is making good progress! I remember when I first joined the > Lojban list, I think it was a bit more than a decade ago now, I > wondered why all the debates about Lojban's grammar were in English. > I felt that they would be much clearer in Lojban. And now we're > finally to the point where discussion of Lojban in Lojban is common, > so common that it's always even spilling over into when we're supposed > to be teaching newbies! :> > [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 3.1 SUBJECT_FUZZY_PENIS Attempt to obfuscate words in Subject: -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-archive-position: 2094 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ----- Original Message ---- > From: Stela Selckiku > To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:35:15 AM > Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "The pen is mightier than the sword." > > On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > > my lojban is nowhere near good enough to be able to understand discussion > > about lojban in lojban.  Could someone give me a brief synopsis of what's > > being said here:  I gather that it's a minor disagreement having something > > to do with stress/emphasis of sumti? > > > .ui sai > > Lojban is making good progress!  I remember when I first joined the > Lojban list, I think it was a bit more than a decade ago now, I > wondered why all the debates about Lojban's grammar were in English. > I felt that they would be much clearer in Lojban.  And now we're > finally to the point where discussion of Lojban in Lojban is common, > so common that it's always even spilling over into when we're supposed > to be teaching newbies! :> > It's great that a number of newbies have progressed to the point that they can communicate normally in lojban.  But I suggest that they then move their discourse to a more advanced list.  We need to have an English-language list to attract and keep the next generation of newbies. totus