From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Sep 01 07:41:27 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MiUY2-0002zP-LF for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:41:27 -0700 Received: from mail-yw0-f201.google.com ([209.85.211.201]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MiUXz-0002yc-Ld for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:41:26 -0700 Received: by ywh39 with SMTP id 39so26499ywh.32 for ; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:41:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=FFZGyRsBVcnxb4kXvGmpo3deObHsEMwq00KpjWcXA8k=; b=ewkXqCdYoZpiW4kZrnFcCjbUfq/fnU+0vycEufLWkVJmG2bfxOaC5pxyaUJaEDFyGU Z7O7ivdNVS6BT0aXUyYvPDzYeX4mZJCusFhxtoS3Ul/OTxpVAeK6687WqjIBkRyjbJw4 9xwYw8GHK7Y3gO6rcm46iqOvHFgGQTJpYFwy0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=C0TZLgCmyHj0TPhGgHc82JWe4bG1XUUjLM8HJqCPoc7TEKWaEbXsV/AMPTsg5sz2Z2 c9GpCqmnbfKYpGltCJNMD/ZpBSjn/QAhmkjY7uvJgs46Lv7LQDffJhfXMjEgARMAl9w8 pKPQxhgVsgTTAIWeWUriX3KLKphd6mtQz7Ick= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.189.3 with SMTP id r3mr5142662agp.48.1251816077587; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:41:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <52a782220909010033k10038c9dkd562ff57bbe2a55a@mail.gmail.com> References: <52a782220909010033k10038c9dkd562ff57bbe2a55a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 11:41:17 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560909010741x6d54b6a9r513874eb3afd7ca@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: metaphorical poor From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 2150 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 4:33 AM, Alexandre Dezotti wrote: > > i cannot find the translation for the metaphorical 'poor', ie in the > sense used in "poor of us!". > This of course doesn't mean "we are not rich", but rather something > which is a subtile mixture of unluckyness (not mandatorily), sadness, > humility(sometimes), and other things. "se kecti" Also, "pindi" is not necessarily about material wealth, so you could say for example "pindi lo ka zabna se funca". As an exclamation ("poor thing!"), "uu" will work. For the particular case of the exclamation "poor of us!" you could use "uu se'i". > You might wonder why i need this... > Well, i'm trying to learn by translating things. And so, i'm wondering > if there is a place where people work together in translating (somehow > classical) texts, one could show the translation and people say if one > should change things etc. If it's not too long, you can probably send it to this list and ask for comments. mu'o mi'e xorxes