From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Sep 01 10:26:20 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 01 Sep 2009 10:26:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MiX7c-0001Xh-6g for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 10:26:20 -0700 Received: from mail-yw0-f201.google.com ([209.85.211.201]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MiX7X-0001Wc-Uj for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 10:26:20 -0700 Received: by ywh39 with SMTP id 39so235887ywh.32 for ; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 10:26:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=g+SuBcUSOimpXKZUhrRPZG1hNxwRXmUZuLvfNylT04Y=; b=Hb+1ykuYriJPyvB3nkkrPXNrx1qAAWHQ8hGg5pbtoQ54bQbQIGQOFel2jCpCTaflV2 Yss+xmkCZ7nGmjFpmpHwQ8Jq046gWAhTXvpt0hKJGDzg28gqDCscXW93y06uEHMm/vyU JYyJT6YftHuumKLDMZasi1MQ2Cc+x8qMM3uX8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=lEFVye3xRo0jt6TiXL/+dBgGGjv0ZyJ20VwxR/wGeh4XNpEvqMjkvZsKxU3Ysv0Pos UjVvj0/ut+jZ6lVJI23y64FfwDlSpStzvhi479/0BdW1uLOAfcS8wwI1trH5Fc/aCkPO DykjiNfYCTFhxXWFmtB23/cEQKV9v+/KkLu1A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.1.5 with SMTP id 5mr10769426yba.285.1251825969743; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 10:26:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4643bbcd0909010740r2a870d31g855a699792772f97@mail.gmail.com> References: <9DE5DB0988ED6C448E606734F5030D381BED82B1@bbcmbmx01.blackpool.gov.uk> <20090901124839.GH5073@nvg.org> <38c99b470909010603p681367fbrb340fa0464a183f4@mail.gmail.com> <4643bbcd0909010740r2a870d31g855a699792772f97@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 13:26:09 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: klingon swears From: Matt Arnold To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2154 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Sara, Sorry about Michael jumping on you. As xorxes said, there does exist a part of our official dictionary site where people can make a Lojban dictionary with definitions in Klingon. It is, truly, amazingly geeky and awesome. I wish we could help you not just with Klingon swears, but with some Lojban swears! I'll bet that would impress your guy and his folks. Unfortunately it's a tricky thing to swear in Lojban. This has been a constant source of discussion. Usually we preface a word with the prefix "mal", short for "mabla". mabla mal derogative. x1 is a derogative connotation/sense of x2 used by x3; x3 derogates/'curses at' x2 in form x1. [bloody (British sense), fucking, shit, goddamn] You may have stumbled on the wrong mailing list, but so what? Stay a while! Put your feet up on the furniture! Drink the koolaid! :) Sincerely, Matt Arnold President, Logical Language Group On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Sara Brand wrote: > And here I had thought someone actually wanted to translate klingon into > lojban. That would be amazingly geeky and awesome. > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Carlos Gabriel Quiroz > wrote: >> >> haha This email exchange is a funny way to start my day. >> >> p.s. Newbies are particularly palatable with some BBQ sauce. >> >> 2009/9/1 Arnt Richard Johansen >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 01:10:39PM +0100, Michael Eaton wrote: >>> > Lojban <> Klingon. >>> > >>> > Perhaps a Klingon board or mailing list, and maybe a little research, >>> > would serve you better. >>> >>> Hey, no reason to bite the newbies. >>> >>> Sarah Leach: you probably want to subscribe to tlhingan-hol instead. >>> >>> The rest of you: Robin runs both the Klingon and Lojban mailing lists. >>> http://www.kli.org/tlhIngan-Hol/ has a prominent link to >>> http://www.digitalkingdom.org/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi, which is used to join any >>> mailing list run from lojban.org, including this one. >>> >>> I presume the source of the confusion is that the name of the Klingon >>> mailing list is "tlhingan-hol" (not immediately recognizable to someone who >>> doesn't know any Klingon), while this mailing list is the only in the list >>> that contains the word "beginners". This is poor usability, and should be >>> fixed. Might it not be possible to make Ecartis display only the >>> Klingon-related lists to people arriving from kli.org? >>> >>> -- >>> Arnt Richard Johansen                                http://arj.nvg.org/ >>> As soon as we started programming, we found to our surprise that it >>> wasn't as easy to get programs right as we had thought. Debugging had >>> to be discovered. I can remember the exact instant when I realized >>> that a large part of my life from then on was going to be spent in >>> finding mistakes in my own programs. >>>                          -- Maurice Wilkes discovers debugging, 1949 >>> >>> >>> >> > >