From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Sep 05 12:33:32 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 05 Sep 2009 12:33:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mk10t-0003P5-Rf for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 05 Sep 2009 12:33:32 -0700 Received: from mail-ew0-f216.google.com ([209.85.219.216]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mk10p-0003O5-6R for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 05 Sep 2009 12:33:31 -0700 Received: by ewy12 with SMTP id 12so1757673ewy.0 for ; Sat, 05 Sep 2009 12:33:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=uLbrWW9tAOTeX8qtP4k1ZvkwxZEDvmTMXZZZ6jqAU+4=; b=fkDIiu4oQFfcbUfbmJeGu4e7gVXnnpSIwwbP1ROJD0LZtcy/s+L+DgUpG3ZnL+qV0t e7LWQ0lp+4kR/zAllCSbdivQBkyXj3jqewAqQWszWZFk7BIleSJ/u+ttgWTMJxnGesnZ 0jetzVRVIi8WK5MUf2kP6SMc2/wqcm3pyvGP8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=NY2t06GX9gZH+P0g0lQQ/el6J2vm4iFRPQK6dHGraQMxODEceTXvOaRPuGdWD3w5LT wzn1VA7N62ZMbeFeAUhI4X6YRHDQrljT3jbJ3PPPOkA6vRVEzWkIsKhjvCrw0DIrPDMA xoUxh54rn0uh/oKPfPNqv2Xb/FHD6F9df84ao= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.155.2 with SMTP id c2mr1988250ebe.23.1252179200901; Sat, 05 Sep 2009 12:33:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9ada8ecd0909051212q431daa60i299344812e9bf6cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <9ada8ecd0909051212q431daa60i299344812e9bf6cb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 22:33:20 +0300 Message-ID: <9ada8ecd0909051233n240fc21dxb84c6c036c505998@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Absolute and relative quantifiers From: Squark Rabinovich To: lojban-beginners Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09ffb52857705930472d9b0cb X-archive-position: 2201 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: top.squark@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --00c09ffb52857705930472d9b0cb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Pardon, *pici* is 0.3, not 0.3333.... On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Squark Rabinovich wrote: > Hello everyone! > According the *xamoi ckupau* of the "reference grammar", the usual outer > quantifier of a mass/set is something beginning with *pi* e.g. *piro *,*pisu'o > *,* pici* . That is, we specify which portion of the whole the mass/set > comprises. However, what if I want to specify the exact number? For instance > > *pinonononononononopa loi remna cu bevri le pipno* > > means that the piano was carried by a mass of humans, numbered earth > population x 1E-9, that is, about 7 people. However, what is I want to > specify the exact number of people comprising the mass? Is it legitimate to > say > > *ze loi remna cu bevri le pipno* > > On the other hand, what if I want to use a relative quantifier with > individuals? For instance, can I say > > *pici le nanmu ca tavla* > * > * > In the sense that "a third of the men are/were/will be talking" (not > necessarily to each other or together in some other way)? > > Thx a lot for any help! > > Best, > Squark > --00c09ffb52857705930472d9b0cb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pardon, pici=A0is 0.3, not 0.3333....

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Squark Rabinovich <top.squark@gmail= .com> wrote:
Hello everyone!

According the xamoi ckupau=A0of the "reference=A0gramm= ar", the usual outer quantifier of a mass/set is something beginning w= ith pi=A0e.g. piro , pisu'o , pici=A0. That= is, we specify which portion of the whole the mass/set comprises. However,= what if I want to specify the exact number? For instance

pinonononononononopa loi remna cu bevri le pipno=

means that the piano was carried by a mass of hum= ans, numbered earth population x 1E-9, that is, about 7 people. However, wh= at is I want to specify the exact number of people comprising the mass? Is = it legitimate to say

ze loi remna cu bevri le pipno

On the other hand, what if I want to use a relative quantifier with= individuals? For instance, can I say

pici le n= anmu ca tavla

In the sense that "a third of the men are/w= ere/will be talking" (not necessarily to each other or together in som= e other way)?

Thx a lot for any help!

Best,
=A0Squark

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