From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Sep 05 13:10:50 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 05 Sep 2009 13:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mk1b0-0006fP-6M for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 05 Sep 2009 13:10:50 -0700 Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.78.148]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mk1ax-0006f9-7s for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 05 Sep 2009 13:10:49 -0700 Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 3so727517eyh.36 for ; Sat, 05 Sep 2009 13:10:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=gO8RmHFez+496uj7Umj2GJJ5A160XMLbMjff0wkZBtI=; b=PK5L6nllVtruyoUEzsCsIIhDNF2lwk7aZ/pHFNoK/btdRnDj2fhG/xdUX6B1FiqmT2 K1Csn3r+Y/vjDQsqfF/2p22NGfP9m1OKWWbaBowkmcVfbMdGiaEqS2ickdc8YAL6sv7t A3fXUrv3vk7wocCkveoJUJz2oGtKmeKKJPxyc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=X/hcTDD/S78lifCILIbGg2BfbxzWZ7CRymY+Fy3LU+Qco91UqM99fTT/mGFMkLvznW YWm56t7HJCTJfnq0G+gPoh4t8VSy6CTM+2uqpzWCuhoGSDJS4s3NOW06iJEK6ejep74k 7FRRPrYzFR6HMn6F0Rrf/5Au1+Ik/ITY4ibCQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.211.161.16 with SMTP id n16mr4453006ebo.20.1252181445652; Sat, 05 Sep 2009 13:10:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200909051554.25972.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <9ada8ecd0909051155s627ec6b9v9a1282326ef54860@mail.gmail.com> <200909051554.25972.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 23:10:45 +0300 Message-ID: <9ada8ecd0909051310k4edf0dc6u68cc6148f17bda17@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: let us From: Squark Rabinovich To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5bf0c4331ff0472da36ce X-archive-position: 2206 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: top.squark@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --001636c5bf0c4331ff0472da36ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Pierre, Minimiscience, I don't feel comfortable with using an attitudinal alone for this. For instance, what is the meaning of *.e'o do pilno le skami *or *.au do pilno le skami* ? It sounds to me like the claim that "you use the computer" (factually) plus an added implication of some (possibly unspecified) request or desire. If I am mistaken, what do we need *ko* for? Is the only the save the one *slaka* of the attitudinal? The *doi* option is logical, however it creates a strange sort of self-reference. It means that from now on, *do* refers to *mi'o* = *mi *+ *do* ! Is there a way to "reset" *do* so it refers to the "default" listener once again? Perhaps if I say just *doi* ? On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Saturday 05 September 2009 14:55:17 Squark Rabinovich wrote: > > * *Hello everyone! > > What is the *lojban* for: "let's go to eat something"? > > The English "let's" or "let us" is a sort of mixture of *ko* and *mi'o* : > > on the one hand, it is a suggestion/request/command to do something, on > the > > other hand it refers to the speaker as well as the listener(s). I would > > expect to find a *cmavo* with this meaning, but I didn't. > > You can say "e'o mi'o va citka" or "doi mi'o ko va citka". > > Pierre > > > > --001636c5bf0c4331ff0472da36ce Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pierre, Minimiscience,

I don't feel= comfortable with using an attitudinal alone for this. For instance, what i= s the meaning of .e'o do pilno le skami or .au do pilno le sk= ami=A0? It sounds to me like the claim that "you use the computer&= quot; (factually) plus an added implication of some (possibly unspecified) = request or desire. If I am mistaken, what do we need ko=A0for? Is th= e only the save the one slaka=A0of the attitudinal? The doi= =A0option is logical, however it creates a strange sort of self-reference. = It means that from now on, do=A0refers to mi'o=A0=3D m= i + do=A0! Is there a way to "reset" do=A0so it= refers to the "default" listener once again? Perhaps if I say ju= st doi=A0?

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Pierre Abba= t <phma@phma.opt= us.nu> wrote:
On Saturday 05 September 2009 14:55:17 Squark Rabinovich wrote:
> * *Hello everyone!
> What is the *lojban* for: "let&= #39;s go to eat something"?
> The English "let's" or "let us" is a sort of m= ixture of *ko* and *mi'o* :
> on the one hand, it is a suggestion/request/command to do something, o= n the
> other hand it refers to the speaker as well as the listener(s). I woul= d
> expect to find a *cmavo* with this meaning, but I didn't.

You can say "e'o mi'o va citka" or "doi = mi'o ko va citka".

Pierre




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