From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Sep 09 07:28:13 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 09 Sep 2009 07:28:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MlO9c-0004NQ-Fs for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 07:28:13 -0700 Received: from mail-yx0-f202.google.com ([209.85.210.202]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MlO9U-00049i-H9 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 07:28:11 -0700 Received: by yxe40 with SMTP id 40so174804yxe.28 for ; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 07:27:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=CJR0CkD1v/auVNUTYTFHYQ5U4bV3sEfUeN0S5mk5F7E=; b=U9i6k7u9mRIoCcsgqFD8Bk88j9M7+ZcNrIFe9/pgidpyXyG7kPaYWeS9X/IIf5qp0T EjCVznhfT8lVr9A4GbgXUmxdazVsVkyI5G7GBhAhtQoCWaWfGhmFhfW4ltSQ6o46ajD3 HZOjdknfgnjCeMmHBTzIIV9bQ0/ygt3KcyRCg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=d3oR/jPCE7sHqZWmYPeZ24s/fHBCMCPXmJQXNCV9zK0bjxKaMI1nqqcv2Wgq/sJJbp OOOTghQ24ZRv4ty06SCcPcaNpE7LOlQ7fQS3wXMEZWd5JksYt8PKaHtD3EapmhaUm9cD HZRmcn0vU2a57ZMnj97ooaCtsJ5DT/U3BsWIA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.165.7 with SMTP id n7mr641836ybe.72.1252506477958; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 07:27:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <52a782220909090715l1d9204bfy78d8ab0028991b38@mail.gmail.com> References: <9DE5DB0988ED6C448E606734F5030D381BED8379@bbcmbmx01.blackpool.gov.uk> <52a782220909090715l1d9204bfy78d8ab0028991b38@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 10:27:57 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300909090727y1400cb35wf7058095d34ab83a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojban for beginners From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd4a5ccb29737047325e320 X-archive-position: 2270 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --000e0cd4a5ccb29737047325e320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This really isn't the right place for this, but really quick, let me just clarify something that I think you're getting confused about Alexandre. It's not ___ism if it is based off of tendencies. Let me clarify. Men *tend to* have a higher muscle to body weight ratio. It stands to reason that men will *tend to* be the one to carry heavy loads simply because it *tends to*makes more sense in a particular situation. If I had to move a piano on my own and there was a white female and a black male standing by, statistically speaking I would most likely be better helped by the black male simply because statistically men have more muscle mass, and african americans the same. Now, if the woman were a body builder and the guy was a software engineer I'd be asking the lady for help :-p On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Alexandre Dezotti < dezotti.alexandre@gmail.com> wrote: > People might not be offended by other asking for changes to what they > feel as personal work for public use. Publicity implies debate at > least. > > What is demeaning is having always the same examples. > It's not diminishing sexism in any way, on the contrary, sexism is a > fact of the whole society and not just a personal choice. One cannot > just say "well, you could think yourself about some woman carrying a > piano", this kind of behaviour just tries to deny the public > acceptance and the innate sexism nature of the society. The aim is not > making people fuzzy inside, it is rather avoiding to perpetuate the > sexism in the minds within our cultural expressions. > > > > --000e0cd4a5ccb29737047325e320 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This really isn't the right place for this, but really quick, let me ju= st clarify something that I think you're getting confused about Alexand= re.

It's not ___ism if it is based off of tendencies.=A0 Let me = clarify.=A0 Men tend to have a higher muscle to body weight ratio.= =A0 It stands to reason that men will tend to be the one to carry he= avy loads simply because it tends to makes more sense in a particula= r situation.=A0

If I had to move a piano on my own and there was a white female and a b= lack male standing by, statistically speaking I would most likely be better= helped by the black male simply because statistically men have more muscle= mass, and african americans the same.=A0

Now, if the woman were a body builder and the guy was a software engine= er I'd be asking the lady for help :-p


On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Alexandre Dezotti = <dezotti.alexandre@gmail.= com> wrote:
People might not = be offended by other asking for changes to what they
feel as personal work for public use. Publicity implies debate at
least.

What is demeaning is having always the same examples.
It's not diminishing sexism in any way, on the contrary, sexism is a fact of the whole society and not just a personal choice. One cannot
just say "well, you could think yourself about some woman carrying a piano", this kind of behaviour just tries to deny the public
acceptance and the innate sexism nature of the society. The aim is not
making people fuzzy inside, it is rather avoiding to perpetuate the
sexism in the minds within our cultural expressions.




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