From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Sep 10 06:01:18 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MljH3-0000xJ-SB for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:01:18 -0700 Received: from mail-yw0-f192.google.com ([209.85.211.192]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MljH0-0000v1-Or for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:01:17 -0700 Received: by ywh30 with SMTP id 30so126736ywh.25 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:01:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8NP9C3+oXidSVhENmy2bJMC8NqdqwILoc07tYpz18Qw=; b=Ek/KsVH3IXlNkDKEbCrAU2FrLdlOzSgs3a0IQ2t8rB+wfk3FjRli2O5P85kNXiBOqB OurcK757bJ4RXvcAA+C6JEPaXYgGKbi65l47cSXj0kOjuYqQp5nnEU5rgXBV4WFTfXEW 4l/WbGjfqAoLLmZKmj8pSNQsdTon1bUXd8ETU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=gKTRk1aQv0vTn4hA5qRaB8ZFO1UHzF1oMn+LYYQ5S/kj2zm5TcUgNqoMo+B2GHPgEu ohX7ZMaOh8Wy6tVRVy4KrFN/Y+UxLPfNweoJrnUXf5MlJLc3wFwALkoBheOllBYOgIDq 1pPTYRjdTx3PjUk7KsF9xtgLhe427thd5Kqe4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.45.11 with SMTP id s11mr895485ags.72.1252587668524; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:01:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4de8c3930909100542x3b6a6f72i9e0816cc064c1e9d@mail.gmail.com> References: <200909092139.21552.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4de8c3930909100542x3b6a6f72i9e0816cc064c1e9d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:01:08 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560909100601r7c8c7743sbae048cdce02f10@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojban for beginners From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 2290 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:42 AM, tijlan wrote: > > "facki lo citno" is not pleonastic. But "facki lo cnino" is. I guess it depends on what the unfilled places are. do facki lo cnino be mi You discover something new to me. do facki lo slabu be mi You discover something already known to me. In that case "cnino" does add something. When people complain about Colombus "discovering a 'new' continent", the complaint is that the understood sense is "new (to anyone that matters)", i.e. to the Europeans. That's the point of view from which Colombus discovered a new continent. mu'o mi'e xorxes