From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Sep 10 10:09:57 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mln9g-0005mh-Nd for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:09:57 -0700 Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com ([209.85.220.211]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mln9b-0005le-SV for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:09:56 -0700 Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so238430fxm.34 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:09:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=GadXfMAYlWVo/puvR93qUvMSHKO1bAB/EVHjy0LJr5k=; b=vUIUmDlxl3tlwix9JibEwOW201iYjbQA0svzVx4ZN2t3cPIvoufC5ODcIr8ISJI2xa 1zw7iJjVfuGrwinDlFHsCrcCzBQwUWEHP7MlFwW6KwquOq8qlZtS2FAPuMBOXAnctV7f Jxs6TTMccUtKnTG8GVjmZN5P5iOCrqVq7WAcI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=QB5kpiRsjGgYIK6n14mpPRj1qOCX+Weo8TqNYF+s1OzFJvxBvDuqt4Tzk4lzUTHHZx EKIaXVZhlIuooWd+Ei24LuKjK2evEFHk/XJd4cQEzHE12WXjSwGW9nUlsYpiHxxzX4IJ 1jXjAgwqMIpkmoSg8IitKcIDPfrJauUxxKYGY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.54.152 with SMTP id q24mr1143001fag.19.1252602583845; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:09:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5715b9300909100844p3ec611a9hc8ee25e22b68175d@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9300909100844p3ec611a9hc8ee25e22b68175d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:09:43 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7fe266f7ff1b05e6 Message-ID: <4de8c3930909101009t34721252w49c03e38d731b5bd@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: kecti From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2295 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jbotijlan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners 2009/9/10 Luke Bergen : > Why does the x2 of {kecti} need to be a person?  Can I not feel pity for a dog? We can. And i suggest the x2 be changed to at least something like "sentient being". > Similarly, though maybe a bit less arguable, does even the x1 need to be a "person"? No, since other animals are considered capable of experiencing deep emotions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjtrdpSwEUY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg4aaXgWn2g Even a parrot needs prozac because he is depressed over his owner's death: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/3487321/Parrot-given-Prozac-after-owner-dies.html