From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Sep 17 02:14:17 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MoD4B-0001za-KI for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:14:17 -0700 Received: from web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.200.110]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MoD47-0001yw-TN for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:14:15 -0700 Received: (qmail 91766 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Sep 2009 09:14:05 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1253178844; bh=atZ6ke6KFpQqY5gvurlsq4nrFtnAzdLpd2DAgkj4itA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AaW0JJc3qbnH2qtM2rTPVLmybjsruR+9Rt9kVPaM+Ap1i6lTwW++3EFI+UaFPXRylEcGJq12T6StphnkWPBLxmYfwhwJL1GKm4lcdISLIQJnbT0wi9QDwuurWl+FxCZMl0rksAuHA1RcyJRjvd0A6YbG3kxS5xQMc3ZP7QAv9o4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=v+eNuf7KAcHXVAtcqBhX5al0H0veDME46H0xBVTNWuZnfaHBPyU9RjeeEVYOCanPNnqH4gdVbqW4kUXPGSheMw1H+3IUBYdaYU6hg6nyOHf/Sbwu77XD9jofMvM2L5FsGD0IUM3ndevhV5VooM0ZsfpFBT+H0Uu96mwlpbC1k4k=; Message-ID: <916765.91562.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ZmgJkaYVM1lpKSfjnjn9G9BgATPXa_D_36ySRmY08aa4YbOugupKRu29oDZzetAaflYXLkHqqoklsBtDar3TorOQToy0eul_m7Ps8k7JFdOpTwq4dcv9EST2Hcm0pPW4cMqlSXdz9ZkqS7.wo82SamwcLIJWGnL_MlaZSeBwp6EEC5HKWuEgrW9mLCK6mB5rbQ2cSrkrLM0poui0m7bA.8fZDrXDZlG3EJworyOBg7QwOFCzo1veGmXKM3R6KHS_ETBxXGUZ7djjUeUvIMagIuYVS8aExw.lu0qgXWbU9c8DPwAsG3v6Zya4oeD8gCRmyZXG7ORL15U1BLtzQHWLtq4lKjdcpWGG7r9y8AcT.xYFVV26ADR9tO.CxJ1Sp_FCyrWcZgda Received: from [83.201.147.148] by web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:14:04 PDT Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:14:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: gusni To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <5a3750120909160909p69600a96pe4a6ebd0bb8c621b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1856709718-1253178844=:91562" X-archive-position: 2355 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: to_mu1975@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0-1856709718-1253178844=:91562 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It does feel like an awkward x1 place. After all, what is the 'energy' of light? 'Light' itself of course, light IS energy. So probably the best way to fill the x1 is with 'lo gusni' (as in: "lo gusni cu gusni lo mi flira" - the light shines on my face) but that seems ridiculous. We can fill the x1 with properties of the light, which has been done so far (lo kandi, lo xunre), but they're not the energy itself, there indeed just properties. "lo se dirce", the radiation, seems to me more appropiate to fill the 'energy'-place, less of a property and more of an energy (I think). Examples that don't give the properties of light are hard to come by. Maybe "lo selnavni cu ga'u gusni mi lo tubnu" neon from above illumines me from tubes (in which I'm not sure whether neon isn't also a property) Maybe we're talking about wavelenghts here. 'Neon' is one, and there are indeed the electron or acoustic microscopes. And then 'lo xunre' should be right too actually, because redness is also a wavelength. mu'o mi'e ka no da --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Oleksii Melnyk wrote: Ok, let's consider that as my mistake. I've had in mind "things, that uses something other-than-light as 'illumination'". Can that be covered by "gusni"? --0-1856709718-1253178844=:91562 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
It does feel like an awkward x1 place. After all, what is the 'energy' of light? 'Light' itself of course, light IS energy. So probably the best way to fill the x1 is with 'lo gusni' (as in: "lo gusni cu gusni lo mi flira" - the light shines on my face) but that seems ridiculous. We can fill the x1 with properties of the light, which has been done so far (lo kandi, lo xunre), but they're not the energy itself, there indeed just properties.

"lo se dirce", the radiation, seems to me more appropiate to fill the 'energy'-place, less of a property and more of an energy (I think). Examples that don't give the properties of light are hard to come by. Maybe "lo selnavni cu ga'u gusni mi lo tubnu" neon from above illumines me from tubes (in which I'm not sure whether neon isn't also a property)

Maybe we're talking about wavelenghts here. 'Neon' is one, and there are indeed the electron or acoustic microscopes. And then 'lo xunre' should be right too actually, because redness is also a wavelength.

mu'o mi'e ka no da

--- On Wed, 9/16/09, Oleksii Melnyk <lamelnyk@gmail.com> wrote:

Ok, let's consider that as my mistake. I've had in mind "things, that
uses something other-than-light as 'illumination'". Can that be
covered by "gusni"?


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