From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Sep 17 04:14:41 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 17 Sep 2009 04:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MoEwi-0007yE-IN for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 04:14:41 -0700 Received: from mail-iw0-f195.google.com ([209.85.223.195]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MoEwe-0007xi-VD for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 04:14:40 -0700 Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so192069iwn.3 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 04:14:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8IsUNy2wSRZ0zC+bFPNNdr9otb80n1SJ+k6kUDJnZqw=; b=KKAj/nMeJWt1By3+lTa5+oG2bvk98y62wAyHp6m3jXomfvLnPnTjqKl88AjOEQNCKP JWSuohodx4U+Glq3f8XEbkqR47tPSqcDg+hlsNyLawbrxfD6zTTXRWC1bXE3c/kyrNMN kei8cQA7WeMjSJ3sabmh0i2diS9fr91H3cnKo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=pkl5gLQ9uF5TiSpN3JvuY6t+ed2HRHuFOmSAuozV36owgTFo8rayyiamKv1DX5Z2IX BKFhOLnLzkwzUGv1WU+wVbQEnrkxJhrhhXx4NsUBJLvv1D6+tEWkYZnOahK/C4yw6o1I N7hGGE4hbLKLU82J34vZWf/J/rePCpD3xNkoM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.126.8 with SMTP id a8mr20908291ibs.15.1253186070137; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 04:14:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090917094359.GJ2685@nvg.org> References: <5a3750120909160909p69600a96pe4a6ebd0bb8c621b@mail.gmail.com> <916765.91562.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20090917094359.GJ2685@nvg.org> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 07:14:30 -0400 Message-ID: <425e4ac20909170414g7d76a2e9tf7b27c8f2e7e1ae2@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: gusni From: Stela Selckiku To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 2358 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: selckiku@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners With neon you could say for instance, "le navni cu dirce le gusni be le flira be mi", the neon radiates the light that falls onto my face, or "le nukni cu gusni le flira be mi le navni", magenta light falls on my face from the neon. It's quite inevitable that "lo gusni" is by far the best sumti that can fill the x1 place of "gusni"; that is a general rule! Other things do an alright job though, like "lo se dirce" or "lo xunre" or "lo cinri". Don't underestimate the inverse use of a gismu place, either, where it can be used to bring its meaning into a sumti-- some gismu are used that way more often than as a primary selbri. mi'e la stela selckiku mu'o