From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Sep 17 13:17:44 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MoNQG-0007tB-Cd for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:17:44 -0700 Received: from web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.200.106]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MoNQD-0007sx-Oo for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:17:44 -0700 Received: (qmail 45891 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Sep 2009 20:17:35 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1253218655; bh=JOPnIjCF/tYfSJ2AGvphPyDmriyHaK3v1+B02+M7ifQ=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=S//SR2TmMLPijQJaOSrQbj5QRclSXmLjql9TbZFqgPbVyFDRuKjfaXAglMpbx4ArjJE/UNUpWY+AElzHLkUHJWHpXoQxqLoXplp4nQkpU5N0hYiy8V5PcDPxh21998sAfeXaiiWB3U9G+CQf/6e4s0FjoDxQqc3ZHg4AzIrwHfU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MmQDfsZN63Q8EzQWlutr/9j4QA5V9Mmi3cD5v+xwsDXxyLDCXe+29wsLtg0hnzPYRS77JSSaeMU0/zDobny84FmYAiQ/s7GHXXj+nQ2WXntb46a0puPet3L1EG3d6MqLvB1Evqzw/waFUDl+HTxAp6/5zIoAqUlfBbYJtIDLyCk=; Message-ID: <170438.45593.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: T_BzrEkVM1livlDt.g2jXVVGqFf4CgTbHFkQ6B6Z.OACrntpBUmI0I7uRY8pjEQcr3GbRT3HONY13y5SlS8N5QxYvQwe0OnCZ9p5VWMGXKZFIBXB2ed0nYGrlmtfcuiNL8vKLIdbAvWJ.hb6HDMVLrXJe5ZJYVD_3LdDTIh_zNG7XZQZ21wCLsVptPECBIx0rmUoWTEPK0JdyaATQgwCw5hA9ULtI2PcnGCKBoj_QmgMBEmulGBx4ab3d_8DfxILVg1RePNJ0x2YxgQL0E38CRk4mgWAVPGQRg9dKjK3fndpy6RCcvjppH6EhXxRGtYdo.IEiyBni6XpBjGnYetr09GFg8uBQebIDhmpjiXqQBjUVYJuQYHkc9wIpiHTQchvxuZdctXS Received: from [83.201.147.148] by web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:17:35 PDT Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:17:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: gusni To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <425e4ac20909170414g7d76a2e9tf7b27c8f2e7e1ae2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-838280862-1253218655=:45593" X-archive-position: 2367 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: to_mu1975@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0-838280862-1253218655=:45593 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable stela, is there a special reason why you say 'lo flira be mi' instead of 'l= o mi flira'? personal preference? or is it to didactically clearly show the= structure of gismu? --- On Thu, 9/17/09, Stela Selckiku wrote: From: Stela Selckiku Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: gusni To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 1:14 PM With neon you could say for instance, "le navni cu dirce le gusni be le flira be mi", the neon radiates the light that falls onto my face, or "le nukni cu gusni le flira be mi le navni", magenta light falls on my face from the neon. It's quite inevitable that "lo gusni" is by far the best sumti that can fill the x1 place of "gusni"; that is a general rule!=A0 Other things do an alright job though, like "lo se dirce" or "lo xunre" or "lo cinri".=A0 Don't underestimate the inverse use of a gismu place, either, where it can be used to bring its meaning into a sumti-- some gismu are used that way more often than as a primary selbri. mi'e la stela selckiku mu'o =0A=0A=0A --0-838280862-1253218655=:45593 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
stela, is there a special reason why you say = 'lo flira be mi' instead of 'lo mi flira'? personal preference? or is it to= didactically clearly show the structure of gismu?

--- On Thu, 9/= 17/09, Stela Selckiku <selckiku@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Stela Selckiku <selckiku@gmail.com>
= Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: gusni
To: lojban-beginners@lojban.orgDate: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 1:14 PM

With neon you could say for instance, "le navni cu dirce le gusni be
l= e flira be mi", the neon radiates the light that falls onto my face,
or = "le nukni cu gusni le flira be mi le navni", magenta light falls on
my f= ace from the neon.

It's quite inevitable that "lo gusni" is by far t= he best sumti that
can fill the x1 place of "gusni"; that is a general rule!&nb= sp; Other
things do an alright job though, like "lo se dirce" or "lo xun= re" or
"lo cinri".  Don't underestimate the inverse use of a gismu = place,
either, where it can be used to bring its meaning into a sumti-- = some
gismu are used that way more often than as a primary selbri.
mi'e la stela selckiku
mu'o




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