From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Sep 18 04:46:34 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 18 Sep 2009 04:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mobv7-00067s-CS for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Sep 2009 04:46:34 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.242]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mobv1-00067I-K7 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Sep 2009 04:46:33 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d40so1441182and.1 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2009 04:46:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=PCpQjjywZ2thfUuTKMu2zQjXA/BOXeloL/6eQVr5FMw=; b=vUWhWRfx3Hg93aNIOOMcxnOZWFOQgOYxvlRoxUw+xxvs7s+lrk4j7Up66bzoAlzle0 /Vudj/UPru2s1/+EZHUk/7jkKLVu16MpoITAAms+kiHnaIJ6yg1KsQWM5L2ib2AedGaz avuUP80RjXkqIAHiy5dyxNVHb6jeZ96NeLI0Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=dshC4QvumjIiJJAiXE5eTqaPPvmxYyvGxWHu+YlBycGQeCJGsEIMSpqfKe4P+yI2y+ 68bNPeJDKf5kEFnz597dRiBJSCdfeoe8Z0oNazmZ6ftV/HletnfUVNZKHhpeqfE3KNIU CfLMoBtlr4C64iDM62oyxxzwq2uYFdOJ+AGU4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.96.20 with SMTP id y20mr1343180anl.93.1253274386194; Fri, 18 Sep 2009 04:46:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <85c354a20909172338o37b5251t8c633da90d50b5c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <85c354a20909172338o37b5251t8c633da90d50b5c4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:46:26 +0300 Message-ID: <71550650909180446m4deb5455vb874002ad2701a80@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: The solar system From: Yoav Nir To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636ed6f5d98606d0473d8ae82 X-archive-position: 2371 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: yoav.nir@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --001636ed6f5d98606d0473d8ae82 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Ross Ogilvie wrote: > coi rodo, > > I've been looking around the lojban wiki and I was wondering a few things. > The Solar System (http://jbo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=solri_ciste) > in particular strikes me as poor word-for-word translated name. My questions > are thus: > > 1. What does {ciste} actually mean? The definition > >> x1 (mass) system interrelated by structure x2 among components >> x3 (set) displaying x4 (ka). >> > is a bit opaque. What are some examples of its use? > treci'e - metric system troroltruci'e - totalitarian system venci'e - market detci'e - date system (as in gregorian/islamic/hebrew) So ciste in lojban is as vague as system in English > > 2. Would something like {loi plini be lo solri} be a better name for the > solar system? Or perhaps something based on {girzu} (group)? > The planets of the sun? The solar system includes the sun and moons as well. > > 3. What do people think of the lojban wikipedia? Is is a good place to > practice reading (by which I mean is the use of lojban usually at a good > standard)? > > Thanks > mu'o mi'e ros. > --001636ed6f5d98606d0473d8ae82 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at= 9:38 AM, Ross Ogilvie <oges007@gmail.com> wrote:
coi rodo,

I've been looking around the lojban wiki and I was won= dering a few things. The Solar System (http://jbo.wikipedia.org= /w/index.php?title=3Dsolri_ciste) in particular strikes me as poor word= -for-word translated name. My questions are thus:

1. What does {ciste} actually mean? The definition
x1 (mass) system interrelated by struct= ure x2 among components
x3 (set) displaying x4 (ka).
is a bit opaque. W= hat are some examples of its use?

treci'e - metric system
troroltruci'e - totalitarian sys= tem
venci'e - market
detci'e - date system (as in gregor= ian/islamic/hebrew)

So ciste in lojban is as vague= as system in English=A0

2. Would something like {loi plini be lo solri} be a better name f= or the solar system? Or perhaps something based on {girzu} (group)?

The planets of the sun? =A0The solar sys= tem includes the sun and moons as well.=A0

3. What do people think of the lojban wikipedia? Is is a good place to = practice reading (by which I mean is the use of lojban usually at a good st= andard)?

Thanks
mu'o mi'e ros.

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