From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Sep 23 07:55:01 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MqTF4-0007Vp-CD for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:54:58 -0700 Received: from mail-yw0-f204.google.com ([209.85.211.204]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MqTEi-0007Uz-V1 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:54:47 -0700 Received: by ywh42 with SMTP id 42so925905ywh.28 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:54:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=mMcj8HKc1mX/nbzdSgl5qSvUubo1XveB13oHFac+9ZM=; b=vhMGPbKua3NhXUEdLmXFR6OmhfcGg9Ph3V0VXfA8OCjUQE8Z75taju42NMebBKAxgT YFDsZbJ7ARbai8xr7mwqvB+rT8bS5HKczFf+ajKE688UeGo4uxXovjuVMG1qjIfdQhQv GePTtp+iSdr/arCR1/k6vEFrOqIix/6tLBZNM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=EMmSoDoih5xNJG3YJ3JqNbCe7d/nNhT6r675zghImy1bNdbtCry42EiDnXrIfo4P2T 1PUG/1mmHkTcl4z4mezPxr4RVs8yeUF+19iTH/Mi24qqjz1TD6Oy6JMQ7A5KPhKdTRHq uFZ6OUSB7vJ6dVncSZBJDpwvSINvW0Or+koDc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.43.1 with SMTP id v1mr1370573agj.59.1253717652590; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:54:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <96f789a60909230739h2c0f178cpb8d178715f294500@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f1d42860909171135p21b10ac9x4759450c9721ac0c@mail.gmail.com> <200909172244.32493.phma@phma.optus.nu> <96f789a60909230552y505e459wddb3da58b425b416@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560909230729o1018c749g5acb77f01de312fb@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60909230739h2c0f178cpb8d178715f294500@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:54:12 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560909230754hba35911k72901ad9b4bb77f6@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: attempt at translation From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2398 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > >  We crossposted, but as I mentioned in my last note, the utterance > _as a whole_ doesn't parse, because the li'u wasn't actually, elided, > but existed at the end of the second paragraph. Officially, there was an elided first "li'u", forced by the second selbri, and the "li'u" at the end was a second "li'u" unmatched with any opening "lu", so at that point the utterance becomes ungrammatical. In other words, the final "li'u" cannot force a previously elided "li'u" to disappear. This is all very mesy, and I don't think "li'u" should be elidable at all. mu'o mi'e xorxes