From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Oct 18 09:29:18 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:29:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MzYdB-00025E-L1 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:29:18 -0700 Received: from mail-yx0-f202.google.com ([209.85.210.202]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MzYd6-00023k-PK for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:29:17 -0700 Received: by yxe40 with SMTP id 40so3337091yxe.28 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:29:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=skyviXq/aQzjvwb5sEE+teuJ1RTLYQAn65lW28kwweU=; b=dHYt37pp3/HL7FKQ4UJam85gMJrD/Kbq5XvkaIZQEMrGMKVk2alllDSB0gXxlLWEZR NQ5NvepLJjPiEQiepiwrQlYYu7iEzz0wmcv17ZKhswhD5HoCfQnWpfKcd0pb201I/HMZ y9qKPqbE6Re/mNVYHOYKwxqhQiA9xflZnJ1Zo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=YlU/SFgo7HW8taGJodB+yMqXwuwD5nSxARM7hgZEvRkFNCMkk5mcN5mI48rxSjf3wV UKo4wAG+IAq5cuOMcAT7A3BolCPpjmxMeA8shv5TAKwKIhqaLpDNBx5E2tWqmOgFVSVI OKFWAJRhHP6LsgQiIrwokerDtsGRPDuwlNgWA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.24.18 with SMTP id 18mr3613539agx.97.1255883346386; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:29:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200910180906.52373.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <7f1d42860910172251h5f5fb830t1c45a8839c9832a3@mail.gmail.com> <20091018055957.GC17978@digitalkingdom.org> <200910180906.52373.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:29:06 -0200 Message-ID: <925d17560910180929j1b2f0ac8o3448ef0915208e90@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Yoda quote From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 2456 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > I don't think "do gasnu jonai troci" is right. I agree. That says you either 'do' or you try, but not both. So it allows "try" as one of the options. But Yoda says that there is no try, so how can "try" be one of the two options? > How about "snada jo snada .i troci na'i"? I'm fine with "troci na'i", but not with "snada jo snada". The meaning of "snada" is intrinsically tied to that of "troci". "snada" and "fliba" are the two possible outcomes of "troci". If you say that "troci" does not apply, then necessarily neither do "snada" or "fliba". I propose "ko zukte .ija ko na zukte .i troci na'i". "gasnu" means "make (someone) do (something)" or "make (something) happen", I don't think it ever means "do", despite the keyword. mu'o mi'e xorxes