From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Oct 20 08:30:27 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N0GfK-0005Nz-SA for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:30:27 -0700 Received: from mail-yw0-f204.google.com ([209.85.211.204]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N0GfD-0005Li-MJ for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:30:26 -0700 Received: by ywh42 with SMTP id 42so5301064ywh.28 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:30:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=tdjVTedATazbWu5YDtCZ7U/e255DaAetT/uO3RIyF2k=; b=lSrXbSbg2QAD6oeF6zThGFMhsMiI8KTasi6Dq3Ydkf3XqcvGntdL/41FdpEPOPVImg 2g8PlR22LLja6Hnnyog+3TsYTVIj/X/gqFI4W+Apet1gb05hyZs7Iba504R4aax6nA6W vBLejNln9Vu32BKjlU1YaqQthgTJg143lwBPA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=eDBAunkdcLIAHBKce6QSgXxL4NIvfRu+c034cNul6ySOl83HshJroT3mlUyqBzonzX VtXkefEbXr2j5E5wIGud2Z1QxlQ+WQGb/U7z8wGRGK28xw80tW7/hFJY36O3Ilne95/+ zPuqEGJDN2uso8vyeEOmq9cyMXIGIsmKmQVX4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.174.40 with SMTP id w40mr10841646ybe.123.1256052613372; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:30:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9DE5DB0988ED6C448E606734F5030D3822C1A86D@bbcmbmx01.blackpool.gov.uk> References: <9DE5DB0988ED6C448E606734F5030D3822C1A86D@bbcmbmx01.blackpool.gov.uk> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:30:13 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300910200830n1ef93df7ud98c8781db445e5d@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Yoda quote From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd5a1aad6da7b04765f890e X-archive-position: 2465 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --000e0cd5a1aad6da7b04765f890e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable haha, as do I. I was just explaining my interpretation of what he was saying. On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Michael Eaton < michael.eaton@blackpool.gov.uk> wrote: > "you think that you are 'trying' but in reality, you have already decided > internally whether you will succeed or fail. In this way you do not 'try= ' > you merely do, or do not do. Therefore, choose to do". > ...yeah, I prefer the way Yoda says it, I'll be honest ;0) > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org [mailto: > lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org]*On Behalf Of *Luke Bergen > *Sent:* 20 October 2009 16:19 > *To:* lojban-beginners@lojban.org > *Subject:* [lojban-beginners] Re: Yoda quote > > As in, "you think that you are 'trying' but in reality, you have already > decided internally whether you will succeed or fail. In this way you do = not > 'try' you merely do, or do not do. Therefore, choose to do". > > Sounds like some hippy power-of-positive-thinking bullshit, but consider > when star wars came out. > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Ryan Leach wrote: > >> Okay I could see that. I have to ask a question though. What does it >> mean for trying to be an illusion? >> >> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote= : >> > On Tuesday 20 October 2009 00:46:11 Luke Bergen wrote: >> >> see I understood yoda to be saying "you either do, or do not do. >> 'trying' >> >> is an illusion". As in, you either do what you intend to do, or you = do >> >> not, there is no such thing as "try". >> > >> > That's how I too understand it. That's why I said "troci na'i". >> > >> > Pierre >> > -- >> > li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du >> > li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> =93Nothing bothers me more than sloth. The objective is to fix mistakes >> of ambition and not make mistakes of sloth. I work my ass off.=94 >> -Tim Ferriss >> >> >> >> > > > http://www.blackpool.gov.uk/EmailDisclaimer/ > > This message has been scanned for inappropriate or malicious content as > part of the Council's e-mail and Internet policies. > > > > Click here = to > report this email as spam. > > > > http://www.blackpool.gov.uk/EmailDisclaimer/ > This message has been scanned for inappropriate or malicious content as > part of the Council's e-mail and Internet policies. > > > *************************************************************************= ***** > See the Blackpool You Tube video aimed at attracting French visitors by > clicking this link http://www.visitblackpool.com/jetaime > > > *************************************************************************= ***** > --000e0cd5a1aad6da7b04765f890e Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable haha, as do I.=A0 I was just explaining my interpretation of what he was sa= ying.=A0

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:24 A= M, Michael Eaton <michael.eaton@blackpool.gov.uk> wrote:
"you think that you are 'trying' but in= reality, you have already decided=20 internally whether you will succeed or fail.=A0 In this way you do not '= ;try'=20 you merely do, or do not do.=A0 Therefore, choose to do".
=A0=
...yeah, I prefer the way Yoda says it, I'll be honest=20 ;0)
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From:=20 l= ojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org=20 [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org]On Behalf Of Luke=20 Bergen
Sent: 20 October 2009 16:19
To:=20 lojban-b= eginners@lojban.org
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Yoda=20 quote

As in, = "you think that you are 'trying' but in=20 reality, you have already decided internally whether you will succeed or= =20 fail.=A0 In this way you do not 'try' you merely do, or do not do= .=A0=20 Therefore, choose to do".

Sounds like some hippy=20 power-of-positive-thinking bullshit, but consider when star wars came=20 out.

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Ryan Leach= =20 <rsw.leach@gm= ail.com>=20 wrote:
Okay=20 I could see that. I have to ask a question though. What does it
mean= for=20 trying to be an illusion?

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrot= e:
>=20 On Tuesday 20 October 2009 00:46:11 Luke Bergen wrote:
>> see = I=20 understood yoda to be saying "you either do, or do not do.=20 =A0'trying'
>> is an illusion". =A0As in, you eit= her do what=20 you intend to do, or you do
>> not, there is no such thing as= =20 "try".
>
> That's how I too understand it. Th= at's why I said=20 "troci na'i".
>
> Pierre
> --
> l= i ze te'a ci vu'u=20 ci bi'e te'a mu du
> li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'= ;e vu'u=20 ci
>
>
>
>



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of ambition and not make mistakes of sloth. I work my ass= =20 off.=94
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