From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Oct 20 10:13:44 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N0IHH-0006k8-FM for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:13:43 -0700 Received: from mail-yx0-f202.google.com ([209.85.210.202]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N0IHD-0006i5-Et for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:13:43 -0700 Received: by yxe40 with SMTP id 40so5292090yxe.28 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:13:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=J3QEgZRmPt4rifjYJ/a5qOYr/SocLK4/kAz28QBqUZo=; b=J/DYQk/r3vdA/fzJ23XIDLMz/Nc3PdQuzgi8hpaI/L9kkQkm3k3EUTE6YUF2gIe5n8 OO8N6xXltY2ST2zcjzbrxH+CO+t2Z7/NkG/qjuj8kiSKe2hQOVajP2fJ/E3oPAzZFu0X 9SjFBrNh3Z/HMXZXeFAlX2Qd2Gl4RnXgvdKCw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=w5+zAcHJnxrcQkZIbMK27GydYPpYImIubWAbQAv87e6zUaL31WRjFkPYHI1x4++WDq J+ZAaWpGtIwy20rrDL+Ep8xnSi847QdhPDpuwKVGyO25F01pxKTkADEPAxxpNuPK7pwa 5o0//T0zjZg2aR3tgkSZtu6GA+nQx16DFAI+A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.16.38 with SMTP id 38mr6868643agp.112.1256058812679; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:13:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200910200056.26933.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <200910180906.52373.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7f1d42860910192134g7ee88df4i96326127cdb05f8b@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300910192146i644677f7u239e7e55ddcf40d9@mail.gmail.com> <200910200056.26933.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:13:32 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560910201013p78ee280ew7ba30e7829359734@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Yoda quote From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2466 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:56 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Tuesday 20 October 2009 00:46:11 Luke Bergen wrote: >> see I understood yoda to be saying "you either do, or do not do.  'trying' >> is an illusion".  As in, you either do what you intend to do, or you do >> not, there is no such thing as "try". > > That's how I too understand it. That's why I said "troci na'i". Yes, definitely. Here's another, somewhat more cryptic version: .ai .ainai .a'ina'i Will, won't, no "I'll try". Whether Yoda says "troci na'i" or ".a'i na'i" will depend on what Luke said before. if Luke says "je'e mi ba troci", Yoda would respond "troci na'i", if Luke says "je'e .a'i", Yoda would say ".a'i na'i". mu'o mi'e xorxes