From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Oct 20 19:59:24 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:59:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N0RQ3-0003ZY-Qf for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:59:24 -0700 Received: from mail-ew0-f216.google.com ([209.85.219.216]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N0RPw-0003Yw-MS for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:59:23 -0700 Received: by ewy12 with SMTP id 12so7117516ewy.0 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:59:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=p4i8HgRgDkFGiRJIL2++nXgwidmoiHUZuuo1aW//dLQ=; b=WNDWctXESEO49cDubQ8J431DMYCs6ZgYikpR++yKm/FazFwbWS2kzIF6KjmkvfIz5v GEhi91EBoXTP/1haZfmpaZ62XK0dDZhcsPiLPVhVkpcM5JZJWRDxiIV0WcvBxH6Cn4wd JSw5t89oppMDxfFQ4dRngoaUtdN8frrCbJClQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=nVwkdc+JTyidtbWQQQ8YiUWBF2uqPi2tvrp54k0cPam/g4NKY1OrgyAI3Zyej7tQ9B RAvsYZ07rcb6jZG1O+D8jJC8TXpbp+miuaTulKcxcqxRBZOkv6VJlZrWnkhxSfRVNh4H JzeS45pk99DYlvzFvwm/5x+Ix0f3ETMkMbxVc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.90.203 with SMTP id e53mr2523488wef.28.1256093948571; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:59:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <925d17560910201013p78ee280ew7ba30e7829359734@mail.gmail.com> References: <200910180906.52373.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7f1d42860910192134g7ee88df4i96326127cdb05f8b@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300910192146i644677f7u239e7e55ddcf40d9@mail.gmail.com> <200910200056.26933.phma@phma.optus.nu> <925d17560910201013p78ee280ew7ba30e7829359734@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:59:08 -0700 Message-ID: <7f1d42860910201959w63426517x6d9ac2f450839879@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Yoda quote From: Ryan Leach To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2467 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rsw.leach@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners What about this then? pu do cuxna ki'u do na troci 2009/10/20 Jorge Llambías : > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:56 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: >> On Tuesday 20 October 2009 00:46:11 Luke Bergen wrote: >>> see I understood yoda to be saying "you either do, or do not do.  'trying' >>> is an illusion".  As in, you either do what you intend to do, or you do >>> not, there is no such thing as "try". >> >> That's how I too understand it. That's why I said "troci na'i". > > Yes, definitely. > > Here's another, somewhat more cryptic version: > > .ai .ainai .a'ina'i > Will, won't, no "I'll try". > > Whether Yoda says "troci na'i" or ".a'i na'i" will depend on what Luke > said before. if Luke says "je'e mi ba troci", Yoda would respond > "troci na'i", if Luke says "je'e .a'i", Yoda would say ".a'i na'i". > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > > -- “Nothing bothers me more than sloth. The objective is to fix mistakes of ambition and not make mistakes of sloth. I work my ass off.” -Tim Ferriss