From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Oct 29 19:36:51 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N3hM6-00039W-SO for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:36:49 -0700 Received: from mail-gx0-f224.google.com ([209.85.217.224]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N3hLx-00038s-Ur for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:36:45 -0700 Received: by gxk24 with SMTP id 24so6641837gxk.6 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:36:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3oA9DdXuoFi/8JNFxvvF7tiFOuED0NhGJlO1rkNC6CU=; b=o5kFGcxqpNEkj6jeXvlJxxBUN09I7shw2pjL3mn3vlLwz7VEdd9dO5V9v3hgug4FGA hPAbA9cgUZGjzihskLTqkvLZDeTDYl9jRbf+GfaIbTVNCwX8AF9mBo5z8A094+ZyxRZu YT79E0TzevYTXjDxoS/0SYLEZtB3Awggv+4jI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=q8TOLDiB4ISQFt+UzpIyjzbghjt4Hp75H0q+K/L4TX35M/f7D/g2EivLvuKcpl7Wp9 HiRnG6mp+z/3TF1U7U0uTLfywjA3TOy3I2hRNpGT/wNp7EXbZMfAv88w4ZlsqgNlDjPp eGcXBQzxqyST/Qj5GykUAZ7ua8UBYm33+x36k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.233.2 with SMTP id f2mr1769578ybh.259.1256870189894; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:36:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <27513e550910291914p6c2f06cdi4c6ee61a8d056744@mail.gmail.com> References: <27513e550910291914p6c2f06cdi4c6ee61a8d056744@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:36:29 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300910291936r698b5d20icf153664f66fabc9@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: n00b translation request From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd56208328db004771de5a6 X-archive-position: 2487 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --000e0cd56208328db004771de5a6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 1. I think you probably want {lo sodva} since you probably mean "soda in general...." and not "some particular soda that I have in mind e.g. _this_ soda". Also, you need to put {cu} between {sodva} and {xamgu} or else it becomes "the soda type of good" (it becomes a tanru). And I'm not sure (someone else can chime in if I'm wrong), but I think you want {lo ka kanro} for "the property of health" or "healthiness". so I would say: {lo sodva cu xamgu lo gerku lo ka kanro}. 2. You would use {be ... bei ... be'o} as outlined in the CLL chapter 5 section 7: http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter5.html#s7 3/4. I think what you said there was something like "the not expert that is a translater type of request". I think you'd be better off just making the whole thing a tanru. There's no need for the relative clause stuff here. What you're trying to say is "a noob type of ( translation type of request)" which would be something like {lo to'e certu selfanva bo cpedu}. (I swapped out the {na} for {to'e} to make it a scalar contrary instead of just logical negation). On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Oren wrote: > how do these look? > > 1. Soda is healthy for dog. > (selbri: soda is good for dogs in-aspect health) > .i le sodva xamgu le gerku le kanro > > 2. And what if I want to fill out kanro's sumti as well, to qualify > kanla as the aspect of healthiness? > > 3. n00b translation request > (non-selbri: a non-expert's translation request) > le na certu pe le fanva cpedu > > 4. But there's probably a lujvo for n00b that I'm just not finding... ? > Or is there a more lojbanish way to phrase this? > > mu'omi'e .ku'us. > --000e0cd56208328db004771de5a6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1.=A0 I think you probably want {lo sodva} since you probably mean "so= da in general...." and not "some particular soda that I have in m= ind e.g. _this_ soda".=A0 Also, you need to put {cu} between {sodva} a= nd {xamgu} or else it becomes "the soda type of good" (it becomes= a tanru).=A0 And I'm not sure (someone else can chime in if I'm wr= ong), but I think you want {lo ka kanro} for "the property of health&q= uot; or "healthiness".=A0 so I would say: {lo sodva cu xamgu lo g= erku lo ka kanro}.

2.=A0 You would use {be ... bei ... be'o} as outlined in the CLL ch= apter 5 section 7: http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_gram= mar/chapter5.html#s7

3/4.=A0 I think what you said there was something like "the not ex= pert that is a translater type of request".=A0 I think you'd be be= tter off just making the whole thing a tanru.=A0 There's no need for th= e relative clause stuff here.=A0 What you're trying to say is "a n= oob type of ( translation type of request)" which would be something l= ike {lo to'e certu selfanva bo cpedu}.=A0 (I swapped out the {na} for {= to'e} to make it a scalar contrary instead of just logical negation).
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
how do these look?
  1. Soda is healthy for dog.
    = (selbri: soda is good for dogs in-aspect health)
    .i le sodva xamgu le ge= rku le kanro

  2. And what if I want to fill out kanro's sum= ti as well, to qualify kanla as the aspect of healthiness?

  3. n00b translation request
    (non-selbri: a non-expert's tr= anslation request)
    le na certu pe le fanva cpedu

  4. But the= re's probably a lujvo for n00b that I'm just not finding... ? Or is= there a more lojbanish way to phrase this?
mu'omi'e .ku'us.

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