From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Nov 13 14:51:19 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:51:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N94z8-0004dj-Pb for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:51:18 -0800 Received: from esc177.midphase.com ([69.4.229.240]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N94z4-0004cz-Ar for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:51:18 -0800 Received: from [68.94.194.250] (helo=[192.168.1.64]) by esc177.midphase.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N94yy-0007SU-6K for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:51:08 -0600 Message-ID: <4AFDE2DA.7080306@kencomer.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:51:06 -0600 From: Ken Comer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091017 SeaMonkey/2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: How do I say these things in lojban References: <7f1d42860911060938v45138b38xfa686f4e6e935de5@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300911061055i13e6c4br2c9604e0472be5b5@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60911091253w4163beb4h75d5f3974d5c0bdf@mail.gmail.com> <7f1d42860911130003n70d38145me987863aaffcfdff@mail.gmail.com> <16d9defd0911130758q7d7cbbb5pe3349e000b28102c@mail.gmail.com> <27513e550911130821u1a81ca1ck38f0d797fd95676b@mail.gmail.com> <4AFDD5DA.50905@kencomer.com> In-Reply-To: <4AFDD5DA.50905@kencomer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc177.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lojban.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kencomer.com X-archive-position: 2562 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: kencomer@kencomer.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Ken Comer wrote: > Oren wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 23:58, chris kerr >> wrote: >>> How would you say "she was born before her time" >> 3) "She demonstrat(es/ed) talent/ability/ideas that (were/will be) >> popularized/realized after her lifetime" > A Texas cconnotation of this would probably more directly translate as > "She lived in a fashion contemporaneous to a later era". In other > words, #3 would be fartsier than artsy. > Replying to my own note is bad form, especially since I have been inactive for so long, but getting more artsy would probably be even better. Are not metaphors legal in lojban? To wit, "She was an LED in an era of candles". "She was a 21st century prisoner in an XXth century jail". etc. But Oren's right. Idioms translated word for word don't always work.Even when you look for an equivalent expression, you have to have the context before you can know the connotation. A literal translation might work, though, if you sense the word "time" as "(proper?) era" and "was born" as "existed", it comes out pretty clean, I think. I leave the hard work for someone more qualified, but I think the key words are http://jbovlaste.lojban.org//dict/zasti http://jbovlaste.lojban.org//dict/cedra but I could be unqualified to make even that judgement