From eyeonus@gmail.com Fri Dec 18 14:06:15 2009 Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com ([209.85.219.224]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NLkxd-0005PF-7P for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:06:15 -0800 Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so3954055ewy.26 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:06:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=TIt/GGrDfpY+1uXwDHic6ZhftdhpbCBHIYFIe/j8Geg=; b=cRyYLT4KzxpLscJbpuDiRySrgWxGu70FW9G5Yt0yweyaajtJZfm+39EDnLCRaOl5RZ 6u7RfbqlUpp6q9V24Uuo2+9sSSViSZyXF1TrxvlJVbJpA1pgk7ZHhCEhF0qs/O4MD7AF +a5/dQV1TWbrFv04z9+6rwyzva0xltNdsORv4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=SamFXMjgJEWkLEO1zvFylqk3W+vPcHJW/tL5F4/CMt1iZvIYJokTg/iAIHLMJbfEOy WpohgQgBLAATXGC8NMdQ8I1mC9E5RWyJ2tS4JZW30EP8lNlFb3WmRnmbDtTRBEv7ge23 Nv6956u0dCp14sN5uyECj/NF7eq045HiMmSWc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.88.18 with SMTP id z18mr1515048wee.78.1261173962244; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:06:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <200912172230.29053.phma@phma.optus.nu> <5a3750120912180545p64d95c2cm969572cf42c406c9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:06:02 -0600 Message-ID: <702226df0912181406u4f338dacuc47f8c6d4c6542d1@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: A question about gismu definitions From: "Jon \"Top Hat\" Jones" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d99a5205199a047b07f2d3 --0016e6d99a5205199a047b07f2d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Christopher Doty wro= te: > ...Which brings me to another question: > > cpina - x1 is pungent/piquant/peppery/spicy/irritating to sense x2 > > It seems odd to me to have "irritating" in this definition, since it > presumes that something spicy or peppery is bad. Wouldn't this sort > of opinion about good or bad be better done with attitudinals? > > .ii le cidja cpina > 'Yikes, the food is spicy!' > > .ui le cidja cpina > 'Yay, the food is spicy!' > > With irritating in this definition, the last one seems to be more like > "I'm happy that this food is irritating," which seems an odd thing to > say.. > > Am I missing something here?.... > Definition taken from dictionary.com: ir=E2=8B=85ri=E2=8B=85tate=E2=80=82 =E2=80=82/=CB=88=C9=AAr=C9=AA=CB=8Cte=C9=AAt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ir-i-teyt] verb, -tat= =E2=8B=85ed, -tat=E2=8B=85ing. =E2=80=93verb (used with object) 1. to excite to impatience or anger; annoy. <- NOT cpina 2. Physiology, Biology. to excite (a living system) to some characteristic action or function. <- cpina 3. Pathology. to bring (a body part) to an abnormally excited or sensitive condition. <- cpina --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --0016e6d99a5205199a047b07f2d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Christopher Dot= y <suomichris@= gmail.com> wrote:
...Which brings me to another question:

cpina =C2=A0 =C2=A0- x1 is pungent/piquant/peppery/spicy/irritating to sens= e x2

It seems odd to me to have "irritating" in this definition, since= it
presumes that something spicy or peppery is bad. =C2=A0Wouldn't this so= rt
of opinion about good or bad be better done with attitudinals?

.ii le cidja cpina
'Yikes, the food is spicy!'

.ui le cidja cpina
'Yay, the food is spicy!'

With irritating in this definition, the last one seems to be more like
"I'm happy that this food is irritating," which seems an odd = thing to
say..

Am I missing something here?....
Definition taken from = dictionary.com:

ir=E2=8B=85ri=E2=8B=85tate=E2=80=82=E2=80=82/=CB=88=C9=AAr3D""=C9=AA=CB=8Cte=C9=AAt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation <= /span> [= ir-i-teyt] = verb, -tat=E2=8B=85ed, -tat=E2=8B=85ing.=

=E2=80=93verb (used with object)
1. to exc= ite to impatience or anger; annoy. <- NOT cpina
2. Physiology, Biolog= y. to excite (a living system) to some characteristic action or function. &= lt;- cpina
3. Pathology. to bring (a body part) to an abnormally excited or sensitive = condition. <- cpina

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mu'o mi'e .aiony= s.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

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