From alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Fri Dec 18 14:13:28 2009 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.148]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NLl4f-0006g2-MO for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:13:28 -0800 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so553606qwc.58 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:13:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.42.83 with SMTP id r19mr2657809qae.35.1261174404200; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:13:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunflowerriver.org (173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.10.243.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm2556106qyk.15.2009.12.18.14.13.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:13:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:13:14 -0700 From: Alan Post To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: A question about gismu definitions Message-ID: <20091218221314.GB1650@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org References: <200912172230.29053.phma@phma.optus.nu> <5a3750120912180545p64d95c2cm969572cf42c406c9@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912181406u4f338dacuc47f8c6d4c6542d1@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <702226df0912181406u4f338dacuc47f8c6d4c6542d1@mail.gmail.com> Irritating could be a description of the effect that spicy food has in your mouth, which could rightly be described as irritating, even when the endorphins generated make that something you desire. Something being an irritant, in a chemical sense, doesn't imply a value judgement about desirability. -Alan On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 04:06:02PM -0600, Jon Top Hat Jones wrote: > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Christopher Doty > <[1]suomichris@gmail.com> wrote: > > ...Which brings me to another question: > > cpina � � - x1 is pungent/piquant/peppery/spicy/irritating to sense x2 > > It seems odd to me to have "irritating" in this definition, since it > presumes that something spicy or peppery is bad. � Wouldn't this sort > of opinion about good or bad be better done with attitudinals? > > .ii le cidja cpina > 'Yikes, the food is spicy!' > > .ui le cidja cpina > 'Yay, the food is spicy!' > > With irritating in this definition, the last one seems to be more like > "I'm happy that this food is irritating," which seems an odd thing to > say.. > > Am I missing something here?.... > > Definition taken from [2]dictionary.com: > > ir�� ri�� tate [3][IMG] /ˈɪrɪˌteɪt/ [4][IMG] Show Spelled > Pronunciation [ir-i-teyt] verb, -tat�� ed, -tat�� ing. > > –verb (used with object) > 1. to excite to impatience or anger; annoy. <- NOT cpina > 2. Physiology, Biology. to excite (a living system) to some characteristic > action or function. <- cpina > 3. Pathology. to bring (a body part) to an abnormally excited or sensitive > condition. <- cpina > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > References > > Visible links > 1. mailto:suomichris@gmail.com > 2. http://dictionary.com/ > 3. http://dictionary.reference.com/audio.html/lunaWAV/I03/I0313700 > 4. http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna/IPA_pron_key.html -- Every place a riddle, every riddle a poem, every poem a spirit, every spirit a place.