From totus@rogers.com Sat Dec 19 08:07:52 2009 Received: from n6a.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([76.13.13.69]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NM1qL-0004hf-Uw for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:07:51 -0800 Received: from [76.13.13.25] by n6.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2009 16:07:39 -0000 Received: from [68.142.237.88] by t4.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2009 16:07:39 -0000 Received: from [66.196.97.155] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2009 16:07:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp208.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2009 16:07:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 361864.25955.bm@omp208.mail.re3.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 4208 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Dec 2009 16:07:39 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1261238859; bh=x22+4DZZdQ4PDppoIAGsfdGJG+I+QYAuDJ3RWMBdG64=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XAyhED1sZoGvtsB2aaZ/nknKbDVzh19Sepebk9xNmxnrsd6IWh6020Elt/6PO5KHByiqXgWG/bQa53vpWKC7af+ShZMjooSTmE3YYv2zc0gHdxYewRYA1BVXJHwQ3tEYPdjEP3QRGH/ZSzRtpenwO7BKbXmCjWpDwffhhszwSzw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vi6m45M9aMXj0SdWQC0z1/zsMDmePtjZW2Xfy5c0QL0sSJ8ajsDzVF0AYUFj5iVMHZFCzGAKWl8BMHiBI7PszYa4rpBzOEZlD7eFT2VqyHXMRNuilXZf0sUqc3PgJyaLP7bZQY3IZgNH9XP5dwFmxtQwSW+S8rv24L5Udn7Gf4A=; Message-ID: <230918.3024.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: w5TAzNgVM1n52Y3tMVO9xfarHbLG8bZvSXv70azqEYvOM_TglTCTh8bNgb57iVUC1R3IX7cwSoGsCaO5mhXuGlLjYD42_p69dzjmzNw7ui4Sq6O4nwDj3mECDnOTUqoEcAZ4eFnAfrlMNs.0C4CO8vDj9_kNHo1Uj1Kgy7GoGLQMbgPeDIJMRLCz1Pv0CKviyiTfT9R8jNx2IRJayA0KliBCf0sGdcSSjAB.ZQfj9K9C1krKsQOAMAiZPG3KTGCbM0qQa3z3dwhFngRXsJS8IvWM2Mv0U1e4CwHJhyYHf1Wp3ZaOY6DrroJE2GoFUHCBL4xLNtI7ixCG5hzL63EjPANFGzUIuFN4br_aTtdKDT9Wb94Gzvghwof9pr68167kM8QCtDthjevi50IM0aGx_QuaFbyAoeZz Received: from [99.229.170.85] by web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:07:39 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/240.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:07:39 -0800 (PST) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: vlatai and logflash To: lojban-list@lojban.org, lojban-beginners@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable coi ro do=0A=0AI'm still trying to make sense of valtai and jbofihe, and I'= d =0Aappreciate some help here.=0A=0AReferences to both of these appear on = the Wiki on the =0Apages most likely to be used by beginners.=A0 This is no= t =0Awhere we want to discourage them from going further!=0A=0A1) The refer= ence to jbofihe (which includes valatai)=A0is on: =0Ahttp://www.lojban.org/= tiki/Dictionaries%2C+Glossers+and+parsers=0A=0A'jbofihe' is linked to an ad= dress which allows you to download =0Ajbofihe-snap_20030418.tar.tar which s= upposedly includes vlatai. =0AHow do I unpack it to get at vlatai? Certainl= y, WinZip doesn't do it.=0A=0A2) The reference to logflash is on:=0A=0Ahttp= ://www.lojban.org/tiki/Learning=0A=0AOnce again, we get a downloadable pack= age.=A0 No problem in unpacking =0Ait, but the program itself is, to say th= e least, mysterious.=A0 MS-DOS?????=0AI realize, the program may be very us= eful, but some every-day-language =0Adescription of what it is and how it w= orks is needed.=A0 Is there such a =0Adescription anywhere?=A0 logflash.doc= hardly does it!=0A=0Atotus