From totus@rogers.com Mon Dec 21 12:02:27 2009 Received: from n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com ([68.142.237.92]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NMoSU-0003ub-Kp for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 12:02:26 -0800 Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2009 20:02:16 -0000 Received: from [66.196.97.154] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2009 20:02:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp207.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2009 20:02:16 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 233399.27402.bm@omp207.mail.re3.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 33341 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Dec 2009 20:02:16 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1261425736; bh=dbvgI6Ou/kkSw7MNtKTeJbwvyNAxTKJE9WJS/OA4Duw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PKBKzfY/odlTZLwJQF1QoIn0H2Eus0pu9YTGg1BwPu8bDBotfLzvoxOWUEXtgTULIEKz6/TIxMsjaEcOZaKOQNho7UM7uk9schxyN6VFUktbvpVTh2qGyudy0tH04FnXsuxRxIMKSNz6aAolsQCayqDk84dkiHbpiJTxjlESJ4U= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MF2lkFSgURwAIe03ebdnG2hNHmtRiPHAszCGhwjJSOXAmnTd5jtGecv4cwkLfeiOjaEixWKmEiHyXU4BcfGXfHP3cmW1B3/CEUyGVVVFQdRsTT+EBnR2YcMHkGyNz7YS5eloeUDVvp+1sp7tdBy6lEm3CyUqgwk6wZp+JRfipHg=; Message-ID: <110822.32761.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: FFu2z44VM1mGshV6m5IMD.vLgLy5v0bdP.GByH9v8mJqzHsKX9KoToCgpAmlmtfLi5JLnMllM2VxjQc_I7nIUXEuMbwkwi9SI0jke6RKSmGz.O5xGyH5M8.vrT8FpdlqYOpEpnU2FlC9cZv8iZIIPU3P.86One4mLK20YV7eSrnh1SIrU5Jre8roHQDhv7gkYK6U_LbrTD27FQTrmnTpjBYOpW83_qkwSTWvHI1m3SIUSXUMS0wIlZo70q9auPhDFZ8lqUlYwVZA1s2Z847LI.6Z5LwNLHN2eN8birTvbRZAQLeUKXkNC3O3hO8RREyva7YSwSQWpHR4BkvVuuLKU9C5hdPb96xvvxFHs3p.x_meDyWWkwXQaSBY Received: from [99.229.170.85] by web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 12:02:16 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/240.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <230918.3024.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <33073.79.75.29.254.1261327629.squirrel@mailgate.denbridgemarine.com> <27513e550912201755p5b49a95dg224f022e030644ed@mail.gmail.com> <200912211327.37550.phma@phma.optus.nu> <96f789a60912211122g130717c8ja5edfa04d77a0825@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 12:02:16 -0800 (PST) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Site for beginners was: vlatai and logflash To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <96f789a60912211122g130717c8ja5edfa04d77a0825@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0A> From: Michael Turniansky =0A> To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org=0A> Sent: Mon, Decemb= er 21, 2009 2:22:42 PM=0A> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Site for beginne= rs was: vlatai and logflash=0A> =0A> On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Pierr= e Abbat wrote:=0A> =0A> > There's a standard sentence-glossing format among= linguists: You write a=0A> > sentence in the language being studied, then = translate each morpheme, putting=0A> > cmavo and their rafsi in caps. I'd l= ike to see this done to Lojban sentences,=0A> > or in Lojban to sentences o= f other languages. E.g.:=0A> >=0A> > i le nu se citka cu funca le tordu sas= tu'u lacpu=0A> > SENT.SEP DEF EVENT PASS2 eat PRED.MARK luck.of DEF short g= rass-tube pull=0A> > The event of being eaten is the luck of the short stra= w puller.=0A> >=0A> > On ?tiras =E0 la courte paille pour savoir qui serait= mang=E9.=0A> > INDEF.PRON pull-PAST.2SING at/to DEF-FEM short-FEM straw fo= r know-INF who=0A> > be-COND-3SING eat-PP-MASC=0A> > Someone pull the short= straw to know who would be eaten.=0A> >=0A> =0A> =0A> =A0 If I had seen th= ose notations when I wanted to start learning=0A> lojban, I'd have been out= the revolving door so fast, the wind=A0 would=0A> have knocked over even l= a nikyge'u.=A0 Think middle/junior high=0A> schooler, not graduate student = in linguistics, Pierre, to make things=0A> more friendly.=0A> =0A=0AI absol= utely agree with the last comment above.=A0 I had a hard time understanding= =0Awhat you wrote, Pierre!=0A=0Atotus