From totus@rogers.com Tue Dec 22 11:56:28 2009 Received: from n3a.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([76.13.13.66]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NNAqE-0002Zq-NB for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:56:28 -0800 Received: from [76.13.13.25] by n3.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2009 19:56:16 -0000 Received: from [68.142.237.90] by t4.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2009 19:56:15 -0000 Received: from [66.196.97.142] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2009 19:56:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp110.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2009 19:56:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 821841.98728.bm@omp110.mail.re3.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 92804 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2009 19:56:15 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1261511775; bh=sI3Pt8hTi/D8Mz1nATbYRBO5BPf7KCsCN7UtSYyD0XM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IIRp6Dx2zJGMpmtlDqYL9qc6v9eAN/2TU9iT4sBilvywP5bzNoV90HkBliRWcmt7GXYvNQo7kCKorQxiiQIiPbtNyE+pXj5uGxO0uQDWz8TQLatY7KUM2XhxlCDHc+/uc3gVfCArlJ9UhzxUOURONO3E6iBwmnqhKYHAHksc0zQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SMSLZv35IZb8alQFoIIpFuTeMm/J3PaL9wlFURHmQPlfMiWaV4OwsM75urIRfEwxLEEjbibQiZU16gP6MFf5CtkjXZgx2hOALCJ/FK2Ec4E2L9p5JgvJ4j+ylP03U+aSgFiFjOSvUO51MKf6AsgvY1Gsct0ztn6zxChQ+ZmLMow=; Message-ID: <476725.92360.qm@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Lcvo3xQVM1k6MYN6xykzofeFoCT0bK1yjCQKbOhRAoQXC6DHa7w1rSUn059RGXzUBCXJTclERNgAYVhiMJFunctHMxKCZAhqOyzZCJD.NQsRsgzgXT__3ppJYJmqNnHUeivOcFkqt7Vj1yyPBzKaPJ5hDqEkg3Q.tZWK2plyx5ojXE2CMasnPo6z22yPozFU_tSxZohA827gPJyQADtvQ1T78dtOhRhNmXLQg_aGI_9ELNWumtn0y6IG9z.gEa_lZAFOZEtMJwt.lZvuXvMp9un.tcG0RY_LwotvHQyG81sCqrFSDk.Q6gKpuH4Uti3pkIGDN4Ne9ozbxEPom.pE5Ku2Kq1xsVSNoMsxNTFYYzyZi07484Bpw2YFJ.F_3KXPn3Wdrj3Ca2Pj_t3LA.PHD.E- Received: from [99.229.170.85] by web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:56:15 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/240.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <230918.3024.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <33073.79.75.29.254.1261327629.squirrel@mailgate.denbridgemarine.com> <27513e550912201755p5b49a95dg224f022e030644ed@mail.gmail.com> <200912211327.37550.phma@phma.optus.nu> <96f789a60912211122g130717c8ja5edfa04d77a0825@mail.gmail.com> <110822.32761.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <27513e550912211713s6a3b85c2ya5d86d86de39d4c2@mail.gmail.com> <330650.65926.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <27513e550912220751x757995cbi4e80e17aeaf1d2eb@mail.gmail.com> <249d5b950912221007h2e7c2457l17b5ab2ad3ccfef2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:56:15 -0800 (PST) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Site for beginners was: vlatai and logflash To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <249d5b950912221007h2e7c2457l17b5ab2ad3ccfef2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-497921174-1261511775=:92360" --0-497921174-1261511775=:92360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >From: Steven Lytle >To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org >Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 1:07:11 PM >Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Site for beginners was: vlatai and logflash > > >Whatever happened to the Elephant idea? > >stevo > > >On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Oren wrote: > >Yea, I think there's definitely some high-quality lessons on lojban.org already, and more good ones being produced on google wave as well. I see the two approaches (lessons and submitted sentences) as being a pretty solid model; there's two more things I think might complete the system: >> >>Rich dictionary entries >>I think that the idea to show rafsi in practical use is great; and I think the best way to flesh out gismu entries (and cmavo, eventually lujvo too) is to have dictionary entries that can have example sentences and comments/questions, a record for common questions that people have about usage etc. The entry for each word could (should) have rafsi examples if applicable, natural language origins if applicable, and example usage (possibly more). >> >>Flash Cards >>If people get the initiative to make flashcard groups for lessons, just make them and link to them on smart.fm, which seems to be the best free platform-independent flashcard solution I can find. The only things that come close are jar files (like jMemorize) or not as flexible or intuitive as smart.fm. >> >>I like Quizlet and use it a lot. Why do you think it's not that good? >> >>totus >> --0-497921174-1261511775=:92360 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii


From: Steven Lytle <lytlesw@gmail.com>
To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 1:07:11 PM
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Site for beginners was: vlatai and logflash

Whatever happened to the Elephant idea?
 
stevo

On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
Yea, I think there's definitely some high-quality lessons on lojban.org already, and more good ones being produced on google wave as well. I see the two approaches (lessons and submitted sentences) as being a pretty solid model; there's two more things I think might complete the system:

Rich dictionary entries
I think that the idea to show rafsi in practical use is great; and I think the best way to flesh out gismu entries (and cmavo, eventually lujvo too) is to have dictionary entries that can have example sentences and comments/questions, a record for common questions that people have about usage etc. The entry for each word could (should) have rafsi examples if applicable, natural language origins if applicable, and example usage (possibly more).

Flash Cards
If people get the initiative to make flashcard groups for lessons, just make them and link to them on smart.fm, which seems to be the best free platform-independent flashcard solution I can find. The only things that come close are jar files (like jMemorize) or not as flexible or intuitive as smart.fm.
I like Quizlet and use it a lot. Why do you think it's not that good?
 
totus
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