From totus@rogers.com Tue Dec 22 18:43:12 2009 Received: from n3b.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([76.13.13.73]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NNHBs-0002eh-Nt for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:43:12 -0800 Received: from [76.13.13.25] by n3.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2009 02:43:02 -0000 Received: from [68.142.237.89] by t4.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2009 02:43:01 -0000 Received: from [216.252.111.169] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2009 02:43:01 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp104.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2009 02:43:01 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 896060.29633.bm@omp104.mail.re3.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 20597 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Dec 2009 02:43:01 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1261536181; bh=6b9XiH52YsLiBVcZhFc+37/cjtu3vIShh4bbCVQb5xM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ciDiYorND8FmA2ZPb1RlsxNQVQdtOEA+k4O7dsVorHedOJwtnOIvPEpMq+Gee3HhmsXFFCmryUOpdypiK54dS/UVAZmbO/YATTwPiccrimFx0pW4QtmGyq9CrYnKpeDK1YrXallsJYCIXwSRIxepCDj51CwJYwywLv/HMAVjFKk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PouubkTUYjeq1RBUthxAgK8x1nglTFTlBbg8OJsg00pd+gh2FCGqqyHu2UKISWcKzd1jTk3XZDSYivQSHJwDO7ogcPH/jOkw+XIue3Puv71pQneRZXJp4dMvc+B6xVU1ms+mUd6P13UOaFDeITMwC+EdA/Hp5FLU4VL9M+gnTYY=; Message-ID: <762696.19092.qm@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: C8q67jYVM1nwJ9_G_ca9yTeTrDjADa8pwBAevBsTL3q4gkoxAGRsuaAX4tmgwR2EyriKFHhr1FkE5PVPXENQGbDuusxddZ1xC0liXWq_n7yl8NptQvJBM9Etv1HBHx.ukKdAm0E13IrJOLKGNll4wF.qyhynlw6X4z9fF9W3mN0MJcrXY0bdTTuiZ8JR35R7BArX0S59aIakjrZbNlW6VOiBZtjrtn.z1ghW1E2BqTHHUB9BTz.z3l4RWr8NeAwi9ySUXG_YgAGjlk_231E5XbfuHHGrZdP2iGFoPKXs2gQ0Ot1FIhLpz5cLF3LY3oiB4ddR6XoB6zDWWM5i_zOff23uqW_X2bot87fDsE4- Received: from [99.229.170.85] by web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:43:01 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/240.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <230918.3024.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <27513e550912201755p5b49a95dg224f022e030644ed@mail.gmail.com> <200912211327.37550.phma@phma.optus.nu> <96f789a60912211122g130717c8ja5edfa04d77a0825@mail.gmail.com> <110822.32761.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <27513e550912211713s6a3b85c2ya5d86d86de39d4c2@mail.gmail.com> <330650.65926.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <27513e550912220751x757995cbi4e80e17aeaf1d2eb@mail.gmail.com> <249d5b950912221007h2e7c2457l17b5ab2ad3ccfef2@mail.gmail.com> <476725.92360.qm@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <27513e550912221732r74e896ddnc72818c0db85be01@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:43:01 -0800 (PST) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Site for beginners was: vlatai and logflash To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <27513e550912221732r74e896ddnc72818c0db85be01@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1854998728-1261536181=:19092" --0-1854998728-1261536181=:19092 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0A=0A>=0A>From: Oren =0A>To: lojban-beginners@lojba= n.org=0A>Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 8:32:03 PM=0A>Subject: [lojban-beginn= ers] Re: Site for beginners was: vlatai and logflash=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>re: Qui= zlet -- I tried quizlet a while back (and again after reading this email) a= nd my connection is consistently reset (as it was last time I tried), which= probably means it's very good, since China's censoring it! I'll fire up my= proxy sometime and check it out.=0A>=0A>The one thing that would make one = of these services killer for me is import and export of plain old CSV files= .. That's why I like jMemorize, whereas things like Parley have flexibility = but need pesky xml markup. Is Quizlet good for this?=0A>=0A>What are CSV an= d Parley.=A0 I'm Category 2, remember?=0A>=0A>The other reasons I like smar= t.fm are I think the study sessions are very well-executed containing autom= atic mp3 playback, and the prompts to type the answers work great with asci= i lojban.=0A>=0A>Yes, it looks good, but it's not ready yet.=A0 In the mean= time....=0A>=0A>I guess my point of mentioning flashcards in the first plac= e was to say that I don't think it makes sense to design the website to inc= lude flashcards when there's free alternatives that are already hosted, mai= ntained and developed elsewhere, and that would also give lojban more oppor= tunities for mainstream exposure at the same time.=0A>=0A>You're right of c= ourse!=A0 But the beginner website should refer to them, and provide some i= nformation that will let the beginner choose the one best for him/her.=0A>= =0A>totus --0-1854998728-1261536181=:19092 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Site for begi= nners was: vlatai and logflash

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re: Quiz= let -- I tried quizlet a while back (and again after reading this email) an= d my connection is consistently reset (as it was last time I tried), which = probably means it's very good, since China's censoring it! I'll fire up my = proxy sometime and check it out.

The one thing that would make one o= f these services killer for me is import and export of plain old CSV files.= That's why I like jMemorize, whereas things like Parley have flexibility b= ut need pesky xml markup. Is Quizlet good for this?
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What are CSV and Parley.  I'm Category 2= , remember?

The other reasons I like smart.fm are I think the study sessions ar= e very well-executed containing automatic mp3 playback, and the prompts to = type the answers work great with ascii lojban.
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Yes, it looks good, but it's not ready yet.  = In the meantime....

I guess my point of mentioning flashcards in the= first place was to say that I don't think it makes sense to design the web= site to include flashcards when there's free alternatives that are already = hosted, maintained and developed elsewhere, and that would also give lojban= more opportunities for mainstream exposure at the same time.

You're= right of course!  But the beginner website should refer to them, and = provide some information that will let the beginner choose the one best for= him/her.
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