From eyeonus@gmail.com Thu Dec 03 22:25:16 2009 Received: from mail-ew0-f217.google.com ([209.85.219.217]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NGRbL-0000oz-AC for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:25:16 -0800 Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so123975ewy.11 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:25:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=d19BIzlsxrL9KYts5JGnpgLnA2XB0ux2/hSanK+HSuY=; b=IuKOuRDkYAb/NeEH95+IvsKPoWsMWvPtefjaCa0ClnPJ9SvLFDOscbaBSM8MraAsDw Op2mdhPHGP8jXueVXWWgs3Sg8uy4pzLscKEhGeX1+zaFXH2jDy0kJYO9stJynzPet5P8 bqiCumBrwbYsR05NKr8iswJ92KCBlfxT2OgkU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=wvve83Qe27N1BZAg0PSAulLdE6HcGxsHjVle9IyFDGrtSimTeSQQ+NjOBUycs76eYA 7yM5kB0fQ6s7FDj3zsRaQV9pcN5BQ2nr/ZURv6W1R/QZe5l8Z3N6wIi25CGo69Ucs5zp JjjIGyOmtdj94FIIP25KgWAIzXZcNM66j/+LA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.86.139 with SMTP id w11mr912275wee.10.1259907904118; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:25:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4643bbcd0912031948l3cb8acb1t2c6f11d198a56306@mail.gmail.com> References: <702226df0912031545r6cd4c3b3q49f773eb306ad17d@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912031552q7f7fb0a1y5f8b8b9f05049b7d@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912031603s73c24458iac02ab02720b2893@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912031609q2f0c62fdt758f426476f6a124@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912031907x30c53216hcaeb3ae9d72eafe4@mail.gmail.com> <4643bbcd0912031948l3cb8acb1t2c6f11d198a56306@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 00:25:04 -0600 Message-ID: <702226df0912032225i35a35f07h2d7eb6db24644300@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Smart.fm and Lojban From: "Jon \"Top Hat\" Jones" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d77df51321810479e12b70 --0016e6d77df51321810479e12b70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You're welcome to. The list is at http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/gismu.txt and I've already posted the links to the lessons, just sign in to Smart.fm and send me a message and I'll add you as a collaborator. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Sara Brand wrote: > This will be a really useful tool for remembering vocabulary (my biggest > block right now). I'd love to help with it. > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: > >> I've decided to just make a lesson for each format. The direct links to >> each are: >> >> 1) All-inclusive is Lojban gismu - place structure, >> i.e.: >> >> >> Item: >> text: klama >> translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5 >> >> 2) Individual is Lojban gismu - sumti, >> i.e.: >> >> >> Item: >> text: lo klama >> translation: A traveller >> >> Item: >> text: lo se klama >> translation: A traveller's origin >> >> Item: >> text: lo te klama >> translation: A traveller's destination >> >> Item: >> text: lo ve klama >> translation: A route travelled >> >> Item: >> text: lo xe klama >> translation: A method of travelling >> >> 3) Both 1 and 2 is Lojban gismu >> . >> >> At some point in the (hopefully near) future, when the lessons are >> complete, I'll email this list. Maybe even attempt to get the lessons listed >> in the Software-assisted Learning section on lojban.org. >> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: >> >>> Addendum the third: Direct link to the lesson: >>> http://smart.fm/goals/179543 >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: >>> >>>> Addendum the second: Apparently, I have to invite people for >>>> collaboration, which requires that any one that wishes to collaborate needs >>>> to either be following me or be enrolled in a goal I created, so if you wish >>>> to, do one of those and I'll invite you to collaborate. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: >>>> >>>>> Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the >>>>> lesson to provide an example of what the entries would look like. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I've decided to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I wanted to >>>>>> discuss this with rodo. >>>>>> >>>>>> First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to complete the >>>>>> lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I do know it's >>>>>> possible. >>>>>> >>>>>> Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual items, >>>>>> that being, which entry method would be better for learners? >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) All-inclusive, i.e.: >>>>>> >>>>>> Item: >>>>>> text: klama >>>>>> translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5 >>>>>> >>>>>> 2) Individual, i.e.: >>>>>> >>>>>> Item: >>>>>> text: lo klama >>>>>> translation: A traveller >>>>>> >>>>>> Item: >>>>>> text: lo se klama >>>>>> translation: A traveller's origin >>>>>> >>>>>> Item: >>>>>> text: lo te klama >>>>>> translation: A traveller's destination >>>>>> >>>>>> Item: >>>>>> text: lo ve klama >>>>>> translation: A route travelled >>>>>> >>>>>> Item: >>>>>> text: lo xe klama >>>>>> translation: A method of travelling >>>>>> >>>>>> 3) Both 1 and 2. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lastly, seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will incorrectly >>>>>> pronounce Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces things >>>>>> exactly as Lojban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry so that >>>>>> learners hear the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should each >>>>>> contributor record the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or should one >>>>>> person be selected to do all the audio? >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>>>> >>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>>> >>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >> >> > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --0016e6d77df51321810479e12b70 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You're welcome to. The list is at http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/= gismu.txt and I've already posted the links to the lessons, just si= gn in to Smart.fm and send me a message and I'll add you as a collabora= tor.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Sara Brand <= span dir=3D"ltr"><seraneko@gmail.c= om> wrote:
This will be a really useful tool for remembering vocabulary (my biggest bl= ock right now). I'd love to help with it.


On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Jon= "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
I've decided = to just make a lesson for each format. The direct links to each are:
1) All-inclusive is Lojban gismu - place structure, i.e.:<= div>

Item:
text: klama
translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route= x4 by means of x5

2) Individual is Lojban gismu - sumti, i.e.:


Item:
text: lo klama
translation: A traveller

Item:
tex= t: lo se klama
translation: A traveller's origin

Item:
text: lo te klama
translation: A traveller's destination

Item:
text: lo ve klama
translation: A route travelled

Item:
text: lo xe klama
translation: A method of travelling

3) Both 1 and 2 is Lojban gismu
.

At some point in the (hop= efully near) future, when the lessons are complete, I'll email this lis= t. Maybe even attempt to get the lessons listed in the Software-assisted Le= arning section on lojban.or= g.
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 a= t 6:09 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>= wrote:
Addendum the third: Direct link to the lesson: http://smart.fm/goals/179543


On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:03 PM,= Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Addendum the seco= nd: Apparently, I have to invite people for collaboration, which requires t= hat any one that wishes to collaborate needs to either be following me or b= e enrolled in a goal I created, so if you wish to, do one of those and I= 9;ll invite you to collaborate.


On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Jon "To= p Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the less= on to provide an example of what the entries would look like.


On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, J= on "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
I've decided = to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I wanted to discuss this with= rodo.

First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to complete = the lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I do = know it's possible.

Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual items, th= at being, which entry method would be better for learners?

1) All-in= clusive, i.e.:

Item:
text: klama
translation: x1 travels to x2= from x3 via route x4 by means of x5

2) Individual, i.e.:

Item:
text: lo klama
translation: A t= raveller

Item:
text: lo se klama
translation: A traveller'= s origin

Item:
text: lo te klama
translation: A traveller's destination

Item:
text: lo ve klama
translation: A route travelled

Item:
text: lo xe klama
translation: A method of travelling

3) Both 1 and 2.

Lastly, = seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will incorrectly pronounce = Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces things exactly as Lo= jban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry so that learners hear = the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should each contributor record= the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or should one person be select= ed to do all the audio?

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le = bende pe denpa bu




--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko kl= ama le bende pe denpa bu




--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e = ko klama le bende pe denpa bu




--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e = ko klama le bende pe denpa bu




--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e = ko klama le bende pe denpa bu





--
mu'o mi= 'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
=
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