From zf2153@messiah.edu Thu Jan 21 10:46:55 2010 Received: from smtp.messiah.edu ([153.42.64.16]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NY23M-0006cK-MU for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:46:54 -0800 Received: from smtp.messiah.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.messiah.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A72F80ED for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:46:46 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=messiah.edu; h=message-id :date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=mx1; bh=k9sh5FkpMJ379y2Iapxn0/5zYa w=; b=SmPCVM5gflA6yBAn3vj87eq4ZfA+CqYcLjSh6MUILpAuqMbtW6BKzqcRGs n1KwxXatpF8PuLp9AhpT7i+0tjWZ0W57I2JF2KdZuVWVRQDFhTQtD9vey7kQ2bCR tgGY8z5op15/KbEJy1hvwPYVi5X4n9hQZBDVROGoX80HN96/k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=messiah.edu; h=message-id :date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=mx1; b=ljtWNa1VzLv7ahR4GyGt 02fRdB+9sBJCF97ZT2F3nzDYErNuIPmJn+nzKACjNjc3OxDtSp9m0KKmCbZdialM 3jl58fwmHcBYqS2Dv3ezt+eVADKNDxxAUzkWJM0fZSLtg9SOpExmeDuhv6U7EWU2 4zd4EId3ibo7vDhhDVIUEA0= Received: from gwia.messiah.edu (gwia.messiah.edu [153.42.16.62]) by smtp.messiah.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17CF1F80EC for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:46:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from MC-DOMAIN-MTA by gwia.messiah.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:46:45 -0500 Message-Id: <4B585AB50200002700019194@gwia.messiah.edu> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 8.0.1 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:46:29 -0500 From: "Zachary Felix" To: Subject: Introduction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hello everyone, I am a junior in High School, and I have been trying to learn Lojban for = the fun of it recently. I have a friend (a sophmore) with whom I am = trying learn, and it is quite fun. I have been using the "What is = Lojban?" book to learn, for the most part. We haven't really gotten very = far, but there are a couple questions he asked me that I was not positive = on from reading the book, and so I thought I'd ask people who know = better... I only have one as of now, but I'm sure I'll have more = questions later... What is the difference between the contradictory negation "na" and the = scalar negation "na'e"? According to the book, "na" is saying that the = selbri-relation is false, and "na'e" is saying "other-than", but how are = these really different? The only conclusion I came to was that "na'e" is = meaning that something else is true, though I think for most cases they = would have relatively similar meanings... Anyway, just thought I'd introduce myself and see if I could get any = help... if anyone can clear up the matter, I would appreciate it, or if = anyone has any tips for learning... Thanks in advance, Zaq Felix