From blindbravado@gmail.com Thu Feb 25 06:57:12 2010 Received: from mail-ew0-f222.google.com ([209.85.219.222]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nkf9D-0006lb-KE for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 06:57:12 -0800 Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so1548665ewy.26 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 06:56:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=c2ugUluqyt88t1V89clm4sfv0IBPU05YGRGshV1t9H0=; b=MY7J9vwck4Q/JG5JQVuE9NuWt54hXOsPvdwA70KBcvlzcOL1CQbJMEbmODagM+Ehv8 BO4t8vW/vdvnH2WxF3f9mompnHrCSmoWY8UxUppfvGdsUrcb844imvHYdpC+hr9a5D8R 8RnsM9CVppaKmQIx48Xc5h+IcqEMnj36abQbg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PSD+yz7cU2zN9jrA+z9uNFWLvnq8/aWNoN43wwqxE0rDhxuCvUL5lhUeRubfsjB7Ka oIBWmjpQhgGIsUvu5OwZXOFwS2WRjZjHZ14YKjLn2pltG1LojyUKMRA8NfVXCQpxjukS TIN3PSVXBkB79N0grmhTec+Sv+TdXZmTH3hKQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.37.82 with SMTP id w18mr1084332ebd.97.1267109816630; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 06:56:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5715b9301002250628s73799e12td3312d89d4ce947f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f1080831002242001p106c6ba1k4925ec3b8ededbce@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301002242152o28dd4f62t4943b62388d3411f@mail.gmail.com> <1f1080831002250607t10d66a41wfcedf1b4c4e4455f@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301002250628s73799e12td3312d89d4ce947f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:56:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1f1080831002250656h6cc3903fqb06246e0b02acc1c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Class--and non-gismu vocab in general From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Useful once you have a good tanru or when trying to interpret another's lujvo that you don't recognize; less useful for making your own. I suppose, though, that making tanru/lujvo is one of the harder parts of getting good at a language like this; you have to be comfortable enough with the gismu and the cmavo to see how you can string together combinations of them to make new concepts. And when you're just getting started, that level of comfort just isn't really available to you. mu'omi'e latros. On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: > Well, one really cool tool that I've used for making lujvo is jvozba (luj= vo > zbasu)=A0http://jwodder.freeshell.org/lojban/jvozba.cgi?lujvo=3D > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Ian Johnson wro= te: >> >> I know of jbovlaste and similar sources; my issue is in putting >> together tanru and lujvo to express concepts like these. This one, at >> least at that level, I should've probably been able to make, knowing >> ctuca and ckule, but at the same time it seems a bit vague, even >> relative to the English equivalent. >> >> For "trippy" in this case it would be along the lines of causing the >> feeling of trippiness (like a weird kaleidoscope or something; not so >> much hallucinogens per se), rather than feeling trippy (which I agree >> would probably work well as an attitudinal combination). >> >> mu'omi'e latros. >> >> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Luke Bergen >> wrote: >> > 1) You could try a lujvo like {nuncu'e} or {nunselctu}, or something >> > similar >> > for class. =A0Then it would be {mi klama lo nunselctu .i co'o} >> > 2)=A0jbovlaste.lojban.org is a good source for word definitions. >> > 3) I guess it would depend on what you mean by "trippy". =A0Maybe some >> > lujvo >> > with {cizra} in it some where? =A0Or you might be able to do it with a= n >> > attitudinal like {.u'e .uanai ro'e} or something. =A0There are others = who >> > could do a better job of making a good attitudinal blend for "trippy". >> > >> > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Ian Johnson >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Any ideas about how a university student might say: >> >> "I'm going to class now, bye." >> >> I know how to say everything but "class", and I can't think of a very >> >> efficient way to even get that into "Lojbanic English", much less int= o >> >> Lojban itself. >> >> >> >> In general, I'm also curious about where I might go to get ideas abou= t >> >> vocab that can't be attained straight from a gismu list. This is >> >> probably a much more difficult example, but it popped up today as >> >> well: "trippy." I again have no idea even where to start with >> >> translating that concept. >> >> >> >> mu'omi'e latros. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >