From lukeabergen@gmail.com Thu Feb 25 11:20:53 2010 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.150]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NkjGT-0005pu-8D for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:20:52 -0800 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so54868qwj.58 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:20:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=JXAwxFEkDuETPIzbZokS9zICHDDkgD7cP0DGKMOfWLs=; b=RCaAgIDwhvx1Dbb/g+yp619PT4CM2r2OCW/EyHi3hDlrRx58wBTbXs2scjljZ7dsRj 8drGOiWofkMN6keRLWfvM9+IcgF+JOAyf28BmdrgYD8/+hOlGdJ2fFbRiaPp2YQyinbK hUk+TBvzJIlPK5Dmk6b73dXwqm4YLltUb6sRE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=A0EIiJjvjBk5O2cQVhrQgCqEIGJSZ4liX0XXMa5ji9WDqzUR1O7nfELErFfHZeI8py rqoCgXu5b7zJw68FlbCbNpZLhE2BshNwnuZo2UW0bi1Z/in9D5ZkFCd6Ldew40AMv2e7 KyTCp2pB0i/kXDsUlEAlqizejmdkmsND71Fsg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.41.140 with SMTP id o12mr1081994qce.40.1267125307685; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:15:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4de8c3931002251107q28efbe99u91d9a89f3a893c09@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f1080831002242001p106c6ba1k4925ec3b8ededbce@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301002242152o28dd4f62t4943b62388d3411f@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3931002251107q28efbe99u91d9a89f3a893c09@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:15:07 -0500 Message-ID: <5715b9301002251115y35379243mabb87ecf8ec606db@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Class--and non-gismu vocab in general From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364268b3da075f0480719957 --0016364268b3da075f0480719957 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > For example: u'e zei cizra, lol zei cizra, brbrbr zei cizra. Is it legitimate to mix in free-style English into lojban if you use {zei} like that? {lol zei cizra} .u'i On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:07 PM, tijlan wrote: > On 25 February 2010 05:52, Luke Bergen wrote: > > 1) You could try a lujvo like {nuncu'e} or {nunselctu}, or something > similar > > for class. Then it would be {mi klama lo nunselctu .i co'o} > > I personally wouldn't object to having a NU-ed sumti as {klama}'s > proper x2, because I think that any place is essentially an > abstraction (and also that being aware of this would open up some > cognitive & philosophical possibilities). But some jbopre might still > prefer adding {tu'a}: {mi klama tu'a lo nunselctu}. > > > > 3) I guess it would depend on what you mean by "trippy". Maybe some > lujvo > > with {cizra} in it some where? Or you might be able to do it with an > > attitudinal like {.u'e .uanai ro'e} or something. There are others who > > could do a better job of making a good attitudinal blend for "trippy". > > One style I would like to see us using more often in rather relaxed > contexts is "VALSI zei VALSI", where VALSI can be a brivla or a > ma'ovla or a cmevla. For example: u'e zei cizra, lol zei cizra, brbrbr > zei cizra. > > > mu'o mi'e tijlan > > > > --0016364268b3da075f0480719957 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>=A0For example:= u'e zei cizra, lol zei cizra, brbrbr=A0zei cizra.
Is it legitimate to mix in free-style English into lojban if yo= u use {zei} like that? =A0{lol zei cizra} .u'i

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:07 PM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.co= m> wrote:
On 25 February 2010 05:52, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> 1) You could try a lujvo like {nuncu'e} or {nunselctu}, or somethi= ng similar
> for class. =A0Then it would be {mi klama lo nunselctu .i co'o}

I personally wouldn't object to having a NU-ed sumti as {klama}&#= 39;s
proper x2, because I think that any place is essentially an
abstraction (and also that being aware of this would open up some
cognitive & philosophical possibilities). But some jbopre might still prefer adding {tu'a}: {mi klama tu'a lo nunselctu}.


> 3) I guess it would depend on what you mean by "trippy". =A0= Maybe some lujvo
> with {cizra} in it some where? =A0Or you might be able to do it with a= n
> attitudinal like {.u'e .uanai ro'e} or something. =A0There are= others who
> could do a better job of making a good attitudinal blend for "tri= ppy".

One style I would like to see us using more often in rather relaxed contexts is "VALSI zei VALSI", where VALSI can be a brivla or a ma'ovla or a cmevla. For example: u'e zei cizra, lol zei cizra, brb= rbr
zei cizra.


mu'o mi'e tijlan




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