From seraneko@gmail.com Thu Feb 04 11:42:49 2010 Received: from mail-ew0-f223.google.com ([209.85.219.223]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nd7bA-00007O-2x for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 11:42:49 -0800 Received: by ewy23 with SMTP id 23so53751ewy.4 for ; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 11:42:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=hyqPPqKqv2SRDSikA0g5X199q3WCxNybEO+YAA5NAOU=; b=veVeBOb7AAK8KtjONcUiroeAk3OivFd3kIaghf1jUNU0avFe6ycRRUaqV+C4BPdeCH HE+maF8KVKnlH2fDOAiNyaqDNmbdjZHtotTn9ZXOjto8mRIkS/kbKSrbzVNYfsNsyt0w MujRTzksuTHmGvRjcDzOxI88B8qgQvz00tLSI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=s1QRNPsAui0TzZw3bpDA5aHaPB86XH5MNDQhYqkyvEX6egx/l6Ql+E6ms6RpqCB9Mr StsSwvpwTgtean4aieZhO+CctZ9EGFCCjnkK9GIVh6MMrHQJyGSgafPieybhTw7pfK3O 0tYuH4EkxplWKvb1CFeL4POJldlMVf/Qn0z/M= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.102.195 with SMTP id h3mr852578ebo.81.1265312553307; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 11:42:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <702226df1002020752v3862f0dcs2d2004ccda9d8c51@mail.gmail.com> References: <401240.5931.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <702226df1002010715h68a3b3abuddaebae79ed8ea74@mail.gmail.com> <772284.89526.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <702226df1002010907q401169b1w1467e38f44dfaf3d@mail.gmail.com> <221614.99169.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <702226df1002011320y5c108575l2c201b4e607c234@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1002011331k4c07c9cfm9932ae55eaf6fcbb@mail.gmail.com> <27513e551002020312s5727cf7fya35150ab1bd5f0b6@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1002020752v3862f0dcs2d2004ccda9d8c51@mail.gmail.com> From: Sara Brand Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:42:13 -0500 Message-ID: <4643bbcd1002041142j40273960n65afe7c27b5471ba@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: smart.fm To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502ca14450fab047ecb89b5 --00504502ca14450fab047ecb89b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I had offered to help with this project, but it turns out that I really don't have the time for it. Sorry guys. On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:12 AM, Oren wrote: > >> hey, the status of my mp3s is "on the way." Chinese new year is upon us. >> >> I'll also think very hard about solving the mp3 repository thing... Is >> there some way to export or import mp3s with smart.fm? >> > > As far as I know, the only way to import .mp3 files to Smart.fm is to > attach them to a lesson item, and there is no way to export them short of > playing one while you have something recording what comes out your speakers. > > I agree that their backend makes mp3 management a chore (maybe it's just in >> china that it's very slow and can't list more than several dozen items per >> page), but I almost feel like if there isn't a convenient way to port data >> or manage data... why get our stuff stuck there? It only needs to be done >> once, but it's also a good idea to sniff out other options. >> > > Nope, I'm in the U.S., and it's just as slow for me, including the 20 items > per page thing. And I agree that the lack of good data management is a low > blow. The funny thing is, they *used* to have that stuff- before the > recent interface changes, it *was* possible to make an entire lesson by > importing, for instance, a text document. According to their news blog, > they'll be bringing that back at some point, once they've finished making > the site work well enough to stop getting complaints again. > > As far as the getting stuck bit- that's part of the reason why I want an > online repository for the audio. Thanks to the Google Doc you made, > everything *but* the audio already has a single place online to go, and > I'm certain that, once all the simplified definitions are finished, it would > be a relatively simple matter to add the items as a lesson in any of the > other web-based language learning sites in extent. And if someone happened > to come across a learning site that supported Lojban pronunciation, we > wouldn't even need the audio for it. > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 05:31, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: >> >>> I have come to the conclusion that it would be beneficial to this project >>> if there was some sort of central online repository for the lojban audio re: >>> the Smart.fm lessons, the reason being that it would be a simple matter for >>> those of us who are putting the entries in the lessons would be able to >>> download the audio for the entry from said repository. >>> >>> Obviously this means that the audio must be *done* first, and so far the >>> only audio I am aware of is that which I have recorded myself, with one >>> exception, which unfortunately was not used for reasons that do not need to >>> be mentioned. >>> >>> Speaking of which, I know that at least 3 people offered to record audio, >>> what is the status of their recordings? >>> >>> In any case, I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion for such a >>> repository. Something free and easily accessible would be best. I know there >>> is a site which is used for spoken audio, the name of which currently >>> escapes me, but I am discouraged from using it as the site's purpose, IIRC, >>> is for conversational spoken Lojban, and the audio for the Smart.fm lessons >>> is merely gismu and the occasional {lo}, {se}, {te}, {ve}, and {xe}. >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>> >>> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > --00504502ca14450fab047ecb89b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had offered to help with this project, but it turns out that I really don= 't have the time for it. Sorry guys.

= On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:12 AM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com>= wrote:
hey, the status of my mp3s is "on the way." Chin= ese new year is upon us.=A0

I'll also think very har= d about solving the mp3 repository thing... Is there some way to export or = import mp3s with smart.fm= ?=A0

As far as I know, the only way= to import .mp3 files to Smart.fm is to attach them to a lesson item, and t= here is no way to export them short of playing one while you have something= recording what comes out your speakers.

<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 20= 4, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex">
I agree that their backend makes= mp3 management a chore (maybe it's just in china that it's very sl= ow and can't list more than several dozen items per page), but I almost= feel like if there isn't a convenient way to port data or manage data.= .. why get our stuff stuck there? It only needs to be done once, but it'= ;s also a good idea to sniff out other options.

Nope, I'm in the U.S., an= d it's just as slow for me, including the 20 items per page thing. And = I agree that the lack of good data management is a low blow. The funny thin= g is, they used to have that stuff- before the recent interface chan= ges, it was possible to make an entire lesson by importing, for inst= ance, a text document. According to their news blog, they'll be bringin= g that back at some point, once they've finished making the site work w= ell enough to stop getting complaints again.

As far as the getting stuck bit- that's part of the reason why I wa= nt an online repository for the audio. Thanks to the Google Doc you made, e= verything but the audio already has a single place online to go, and= I'm certain that, once all the simplified definitions are finished, it= would be a relatively simple matter to add the items as a lesson in any of= the other web-based language learning sites in extent. And if someone happ= ened to come across a learning site that supported Lojban pronunciation, we= wouldn't even need the audio for it.

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 05:31, Jon "Top= Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
I have come to the conclusion that it would be beneficial to this project i= f there was some sort of central online repository for the lojban audio re:= the Smart.fm lessons, the reason being that it would be a simple matter fo= r those of us who are putting the entries in the lessons would be able to d= ownload the audio for the entry from said repository.

Obviously this means that the audio must be done first, and so f= ar the only audio I am aware of is that which I have recorded myself, with = one exception, which unfortunately was not used for reasons that do not nee= d to be mentioned.

Speaking of which, I know that at least 3 people offered to record audi= o, what is the status of their recordings?

In any case, I am wonderi= ng if anyone has a suggestion for such a repository. Something free and eas= ily accessible would be best. I know there is a site which is used for spok= en audio, the name of which currently escapes me, but I am discouraged from= using it as the site's purpose, IIRC, is for conversational spoken Loj= ban, and the audio for the Smart.fm lessons is merely gismu and the occasio= nal {lo}, {se}, {te}, {ve}, and {xe}.

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le= bende pe denpa bu





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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko kl= ama le bende pe denpa bu


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