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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:30:13 -0500
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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Tenses in abstractions
From: Sam Chapin <not.here.now@gmail.com>
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2010/2/25 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Sam Chapin <not.here.now@gmail.com> wro=
te:
>> Minimiscience's view is the one described in chapter 10 of the online
>> draft reference grammar. Is this other reimagining of ZI and VA widely
>> used?
>
> I use it a lot, and I have seen others use it. I think it is used more
> than the CLL version, except perhaps for "vi", which is sometimes used
> as if it meant "bu'u".
>
>> It breaks the {<tag> broda} =3D=3D {<tag> ku broda} identity that
>> holds for everything else.
>
> How so? That identity holds for both versions.

Ah, I see. Under your scheme {va co'e} conveys the same meaning by a
different mechanism - "something happens a moderate (but otherwise
unspecified) distance from the speaker", rather than "something
happens a moderate distance away from (unspecified, but by default)
the speaker".