From jjllambias@gmail.com Sun Feb 28 06:46:49 2010 Received: from mail-bw0-f219.google.com ([209.85.218.219]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NlkPl-0006dJ-GW for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 28 Feb 2010 06:46:48 -0800 Received: by bwz19 with SMTP id 19so1173879bwz.26 for ; Sun, 28 Feb 2010 06:46:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=nBOHYGDRUd+gcjPsZ9TVAiksnS8qQ+c6sTsY5myHeWw=; b=L4qQF5VJtZjwpa0DsCB5aVnFZIZQsqhwUF1VKPhVHxPSus73IZgiKWFPX/qx+awfHY Rzqvo1mwltW5dyyh743cHQG1WaLxG7vQMDxZwmvEEfkLY/us+0bxmwIqSGhXkaseeOxH vYJbD+RaF2ua1L1vEXSdzaTl1pitLb6RP2M3g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=f8nHExOHMHEJ2vQNeL3eM/oe9zHm0CW+Zng9kHki+VP+VhHp2KIwd14eD8pR9g3lNG CzpsaqYzhjk1dKHZ/70gzfMN/iMav2wMOqhLAQbQ8Z0fA1o/kyoO3K/fbEgk74LNuIP8 Qp3YKuCT9Gt66YJu3ml2xrscCJ/RSsyW5KAi8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.38.73 with SMTP id a9mr2139707bke.46.1267368390953; Sun, 28 Feb 2010 06:46:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5715b9301002272159l2c8755cewd373446c78a71ebc@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f1080831002250758rb17bd2dk664e035452c298e4@mail.gmail.com> <20100225215933.GA14097@sdf.lonestar.org> <925d17561002251427h15040eb6p7256255a4d770b3c@mail.gmail.com> <1a3d02c41002251734h18fc88e0ue9d3aec6734b0538@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561002251804t3bfb7247u95f265f213a09215@mail.gmail.com> <1a3d02c41002251830u1165ddd1ve7992c512894603@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561002251844g4bdc9f18kdfc75121dcff527d@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301002271924s287eaaa1xa42d34d3997bd82e@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561002272030k3ae82265l279601d87d4a767c@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301002272159l2c8755cewd373446c78a71ebc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 11:46:30 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17561002280646wfc33adfn78976bf33d28c269@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Tenses in abstractions From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 2:59 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: > =A0I'm still confused by what "I eat > the apple an event of me sleeping ago" means. =A0It doesn't read like any > english I've ever seen. My wording was in Jboglish rather than in idiomatic English. I should have written "ate" rather than "eat", since "ago" goes with a past tense. It means that my eating the apple is an event of sleeping away from the origin (which is presumably the time of the utterance). Time distances are usually given in seconds/minutes/hours/days/etc rather than in "events of sleeping". >=A0How do the event of my eating the apple and the > event of me sleeping relate in time and space according to how I used {za= } > (from your perspective). The sumti after "za" gives the magnitude of the time displacement. > Sorry for harping on this, I just want to really understand it. > Is all of this described in the tag proposal or is this different way of > using VI/ZA part of some other proposal? =A0Or is it just how people have= been > using it? It's independent of the internal grammar of tags. See: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section:+Distance mu'o mi'e xorxes