From lytlesw@gmail.com Mon Feb 08 20:47:06 2010 Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.78.144]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nei06-0007ZQ-0Y for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:47:05 -0800 Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so1289981eyg.36 for ; Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:47:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=SrNxcHbdMoN3hcXU90suY7UBNQit+U+c1DPeNGx+sSc=; b=nmiwBNMxfH8JwP047NeOMEyiG0ptiJ3I114J1bXKpPLsof74BxsXKiZITXyUP/sxyl 073DbDGEU07sk5IlDPPc6cWc/eEPfa7a4e4E9GxSfVvZHlGr11wH9dBVho9AXqNmxX2F h+zol97gvJhAatBaJ5vMeHzvgN6oR1M0N/t68= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=bLwX5aEXbNQzEvoNEm0M6FyCF8PbN5PD0A/0zTyXX3kogkGpua4wTKQ4zeQ8Xg249t tUDlTmJMeWWpJOJahGyCO+bNPMjbWaorCYJXDavP4pGNsxHR75iSk8balEO0zHjxp0X0 +2qnpe8MQZBjvDK6AFp6tVOnuH1VbrpWWPVBI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.103.134 with SMTP id k6mr4796514ebo.2.1265690820171; Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:47:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f1080831002081820q228ee8efo4473981694ef46a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <218950.62113.qm@web46104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <925d17561002081358if4eddacl7ccc619f0da8af3a@mail.gmail.com> <715718.90598.qm@web46101.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <249d5b951002081740h256fa074h5cef4ff8990ee2ed@mail.gmail.com> <1f1080831002081820q228ee8efo4473981694ef46a1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 23:47:00 -0500 Message-ID: <249d5b951002082047n6c0a3ed1s50249d2a7f28cb6d@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Help! The Xorlo are attacking! From: MorphemeAddict To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502d3bcbb584e047f239b79 --00504502d3bcbb584e047f239b79 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I was very careful to exclude selma'o LA. Yes, "le" is still more specific than "lo", but AIUI On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > I don't understand it going quite THAT far. I'm pretty sure la is still > normal for cmene, and le IS still more "specific" than lo, if that > specificity is wanted. Maybe not, though; I've only just recently started > learning about xorlo after previously using LfB's version of lo. > > mu'omi'e latros. > > > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:40 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > >> As I understand xorlo, lo is for any and all instances of gadri from >> selma'o LE, not just when one is unsure of which to use. In other words, it >> makes all the other cmavo in LE obsolete. >> >> stevo >> >> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Whipsnerd Lhooser < >> synaptic.explosion@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> Thank you xorxes. So, allow me to re-iterate: >>> >>> xorlo simply refers to the idea that in an instance where a lojbanist is >>> unsure of the proper gadri to be utilized, the default is lo. >>> >>> gadri is the lojban equivalent of an English article (I do understand the >>> principle of malglico, however I'm using this for reference) >>> >>> la: Used only for cmene; Is the article which immediately proceeds a >>> cmene / it designates the next word as a cmene. >>> >>> le: A gadri which denotes a specific thing/instance which the speaker has >>> in mind. (le is optional and may be substituted for lo) >>> >>> lo: A gadri which introduces a thing/instance. (Specific or non-specific) >>> >>> loi: A gadri which says that an attribute/action that is being applied to >>> a group is being applied to that group as a whole, not necessarily to the >>> individuals comprising that group. >>> >>> Is this more correct? >>> ** >>> >>> >> > --00504502d3bcbb584e047f239b79 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was very careful to exclude selma'o LA. Yes, "le" is s= till more specific than "lo", but AIUI

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On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gm= ail.com> wrote:
I don't understand it going = quite THAT far. I'm pretty sure la is still normal for cmene, and le IS= still more "specific" than lo, if that specificity is wanted. Ma= ybe not, though; I've only just recently started learning about xorlo a= fter previously using LfB's version of lo.

mu'omi'e latros.=20


On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:40 PM, MorphemeAddict <= span dir=3D"ltr"><lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
As I understand xorlo, lo is for any and all instances of gadri from s= elma'o LE, not just when one is unsure of which to use. In other words,= it makes all the other cmavo in LE obsolete.
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stevo

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Whipsnerd Lhoose= r <synaptic.explosion@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thank you xorxes. So, allow me to re-iterate:

xorlo simply refe= rs to the idea that in an instance where a lojbanist is unsure of the prope= r gadri to be utilized, the default is lo.

gadri is the lojban equiv= alent of an English article (I do understand the principle of malglico, how= ever I'm using this for reference)

la: Used only for cmene; Is the article which immediately proceeds a cm= ene / it designates the next word as a cmene.

le: A gadri which deno= tes a specific thing/instance which the speaker has in mind. (le is optiona= l and may be substituted for lo)

lo: A gadri which introduces a thing/instance. (Specific or non-specifi= c)

loi: A gadri which says that an attribute/action that is being a= pplied to a group is being applied to that group as a whole, not necessaril= y to the individuals comprising that group.

Is this more correct?
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