From lukeabergen@gmail.com Wed Feb 10 12:26:47 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f53.google.com ([209.85.212.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NfJ92-0007qZ-BN for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:26:47 -0800 Received: by vws17 with SMTP id 17so23911vws.40 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:26:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=nfMtZI2xvOoMOOSUcZYwH6OC5MoI40fhtItWnW//aMY=; b=rSYI2ClQ4m/qAIazrNeAsS71efGQbCUibeGXP8BeRsTbGRwxqEWDx+Jl5Vi35yjM4Q 1up5Gi47KV43j7Piyn1Mi7Djm8F7241upadILyR9Q/4Z9L49G9FNp99JX46/rgGuujSN +PN07eFvA6UGVxnZrV9OeNdtljZwagPIE/jUc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=AGV1ZZCWxe9N7+dEtCb+AuTUBFKTEkUWoM/WUQfnD77RNlgNRrFoXT2R9pTr2Z2zbg vfCTkYYfJIHQBR8efE+0B17NuG4dUbLRxuOm/KAkz7gGBDKJ3lW35t5FwtH4INlLUB7B uBYlftkTl5P9VG5qeOiIT9ZAYqyb1StxEAeDw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.122.205 with SMTP id m13mr493611vcr.151.1265833597829; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:26:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100210201640.GA22591@sdf.lonestar.org> References: <1f1080831002101203r45ca1281o4e3a59a4443264a5@mail.gmail.com> <20100210201640.GA22591@sdf.lonestar.org> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:26:37 -0500 Message-ID: <5715b9301002101226t255abfa6y7f717354761d6147@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: se du'u? From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e68f9f78f1827a047f44d95a --0016e68f9f78f1827a047f44d95a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Interesting. du'u vs se du'u always kind of confused me. So, would {mi cusku lo se du'u mi klama lo zarci} be equal to both {mi cusku lu mi klama lo zarci} and {mi cusku lu lo zarci se cu klama mi} since they both represent the same bridi but in different ways? On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Minimiscience wrote: > de'i li 10 pi'e 02 pi'e 2010 la'o fy. Ian Johnson .fy. cusku zoi > skamyxatra. > > I'm wondering about what you can use se du'u with. Here's a simple > example: > > do cusku le se du'u coi latros. .ui > > Can I do that? Or do I need something else, like quote tags? > .skamyxatra > > That needs to be "{do cusku lu coi latros. .ui li'u}." "{du'u}," like > other > abstractions, takes a full {bridi}, which "{coi latros. .ui}" is not. "{lo > se > du'u [bridi]}" refers to the words that would express the {bridi}, while > just > "{lo du'u [bridi]}" would be the abstract statement expressed by the > {bridi}. > An example of the proper use of "{se du'u}" would be "{do cusku lo se du'u > do > cnino}" -- "You say that you are new" -- which is practically equivalent to > "{do cusku lu mi cnino li'u}" -- "You say, 'I am new.'" > > mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. > > -- > lonu ca rere'u finti le xislu cu ba sidju do lonu baza finti le vi'e xislu > > > > --0016e68f9f78f1827a047f44d95a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting. =A0du'u vs se du'u always kind of confused me.
So, would {mi cusku lo se du'u mi klama lo zarci} be equal to both {mi= cusku lu mi klama lo zarci} and {mi cusku lu lo zarci se cu klama mi} sinc= e they both represent the same bridi but in different ways?

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Minimiscien= ce <minimis= cience@gmail.com> wrote:
de'i li 10 pi'e 02 pi'e 2010 la'o fy. Ian Johnson .fy. cusk= u zoi skamyxatra.
> I'm wondering about what you can use se du'u= with. Here's a simple example:
> do cusku le se du'u coi latros. .ui
> Can I do that? Or do I need something else, like quote tags?
.skamyxatra

That needs to be "{do cusku lu coi latros. .ui li'u}." =A0&qu= ot;{du'u}," like other
abstractions, takes a full {bridi}, which "{coi latros. .ui}" is = not. =A0"{lo se
du'u [bridi]}" refers to the words that would express the {bridi},= while just
"{lo du'u [bridi]}" would be the abstract statement expressed= by the {bridi}.
An example of the proper use of "{se du'u}" would be "{d= o cusku lo se du'u do
cnino}" -- "You say that you are new" -- which is practicall= y equivalent to
"{do cusku lu mi cnino li'u}" -- "You say, 'I am new= .'"

mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun.

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lonu ca rere'u finti le xislu cu ba sidju do lonu baza finti le vi'= e xislu




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