From lytlesw@gmail.com Mon Mar 15 15:21:33 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f177.google.com ([209.85.211.177]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NrIf7-0002rr-FD for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:21:30 -0700 Received: by ywh7 with SMTP id 7so555805ywh.26 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:21:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=KmAkeHFmhx49wOSmqH9VajYWePXGKziPqhlCpD47npI=; b=XSDxBvO9EhnB07mpwxSfVopsfqSztLWUgXJ4AF9M7dc17iHWuY6LErA+IDJHBGpiPm ZrmJYr/RpD+zhkWHMLp1Qh6ABtwlOTy2NyaiAtqq9pEpow4i+klffNfBD6crOaAigfcV SkMDPwFbde7WsD3p0rOvHYog2KAGD7/DkLEG0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Vf7qz/a+LtQwksm4cYBG9iMARyQmtwlfdeQ7mt7I41dhVMcmk8mzvQPJxfeDvtMWJQ WCv8Z/1AVswpe3v3Sf1fDtv6NdPOObZ3YR55A34V95jot0ubMlm1c01r2DB6HLjmPTkF S1e4esLvg7Jmc/sEg0Rvb1gZXOUztVKxd0w8Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.128.9 with SMTP id f9mr6915546ann.186.1268691678690; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:21:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1f1080831003151447k355dd2d4r5bf30d50571e8b9e@mail.gmail.com> References: <679136.71451.qm@web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1f1080831003151447k355dd2d4r5bf30d50571e8b9e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:21:18 -0400 Message-ID: <249d5b951003151521r640013cah4efc4d36ef0c0c1f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: New York Times blog From: MorphemeAddict To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c92885d690d90481de4c97 --001636c92885d690d90481de4c97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But she got the size of the grammar wrong. CLL may be over 600 pages long, but the grammar is an appendix in that book, not the whole book. stevo *Q.* *Many people think that all you need for a new language is some new words. We all spend years learning the grammar of our native languages, but most people never really consider all the structure needed to hold all those words together. Which constructed languages do you think have the most complete grammars? Na=E2=80=99vi was created by a linguist who knows these = things. But did Klingon originally have grammar or was it just a bunch of loudly grunted words and oddly placed apostrophes? =E2=80=94 Janet V * A. *Arika Okrent*: Klingon was invented by a linguist too. (Marc Okrand, who wrote a dissertation on Mutsun, a Native American language). Like Na=E2=80= =99vi, Klingon stands apart from most invented languages created for films in that it=E2=80=99s not just a bunch of vocabulary or nonsense sounds, but a gramm= ar with explicit rules for forming words and for forming sentences. The constructed language with the most complete grammar is probably Lojban =E2=80=93 a lang= uage created to reflect the principles of logic. The grammar comes to over 600 pages. On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Ian Johnson wrote= : > I definitely saw a mention of Lojban in there... > > mu'omi'e .latros. > > > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 3:42 PM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > >> coi ro do >> >> The New York Times has a blog on constructed languages, with Q&A >> by Paul Frommer and Arika Okrent. No mention of Lojban by anyone. >> If you are interested in participating, here is the link: >> >> >> http://schott.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/10/questions-answered-invented-l= anguages/ >> >> totus >> >> >> >> > --001636c92885d690d90481de4c97 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
But she got the size of the grammar wrong. CLL may be over 600 pages l= ong, but the grammar is an appendix in that book, not the whole book.
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Many people think that all you need for a new language is some new= words. We all spend years learning the grammar of our native languages, bu= t most people never really consider all the structure needed to hold all th= ose words together. Which constructed languages do you think have the most = complete grammars? Na=E2=80=99vi was created by a linguist who knows these = things. But did Klingon originally have grammar or was it just a bunch of l= oudly grunted words and oddly placed apostrophes? =E2=80=94 Janet V
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Arika Okrent: Klingon was invented by a linguist too. (= Marc Okrand, who wrote a dissertation on Mutsun, a Native American language= ). Like Na=E2=80=99vi, Klingon stands apart from most invented languages cr= eated for films in that it=E2=80=99s not just a bunch of vocabulary or nons= ense sounds, but a grammar with explicit rules for forming words and for fo= rming sentences. The constructed language with the most complete grammar is= probably Lojban =E2=80=93 a language created to reflect the principles of = logic. The grammar comes to over 600 pages.



On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@g= mail.com> wrote:
I definitely saw a mention of Lo= jban in there...

mu'omi'e .latros.=20


On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 3:42 PM, A. PIEKARSKI <t= otus@rogers.com> wrote:
coi ro do

The= New York Times has a blog on constructed languages, with Q&A
by Pau= l Frommer and Arika Okrent.=C2=A0 No mention of Lojban by anyone.
If you are interested in participating, here is the link:

http://schott.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/10/quest= ions-answered-invented-languages/

totus





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