From lukeabergen@gmail.com Tue Mar 02 09:05:51 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f53.google.com ([209.85.212.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NmVXT-0005ka-BD for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 09:05:50 -0800 Received: by vws16 with SMTP id 16so58032vws.40 for ; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 09:05:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=VS+iipj1j6FxfFJuhNmjLDcxWofxJYTIMBvNzxkJ4zU=; b=oUKn2MLGgC7QzxaHHvaK1DeldBAj8QUwGPkE5EtcSZaFWItTeKWANXx+6WkYPl4/9+ nEFQR6fkunf9KqT8Qplyjfc/z7znh5Xg6QdOQz7MIe5Y0V8ZzcKA1Bu9x4nomyRSHJx6 9w6JfWm0E7QXZwGE863/uMiZ3aACCsarev22E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=czmXnFjrxO1PLnHLQaWGBYe6vDCBxzxLOUHizoojT8NBCxhGxNc1SY2TccjdsPwR3w zV04a0fr02vZ1q/rjPYc6SDwGMM+OXE5LXmB3wNDhh08dD5nRLsUBjU7WifeQceCYPCX jabC1Fb1f0jbhA1tnRGOOUkvuoghjTHFzwYyk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.48.213 with SMTP id s21mr4325054vcf.105.1267549537064; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 09:05:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f1080831003020851r6ef490f6ydf450d55606dedb1@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f1080831003020851r6ef490f6ydf450d55606dedb1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 12:05:37 -0500 Message-ID: <5715b9301003020905o337c4d48v5160b5f407cd9858@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Asking specific questions From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6469260e4572b0480d45fcd --0016e6469260e4572b0480d45fcd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I believe {xu} will work for your purposes. {xu} applies to the previous word or the construct that that word begins. So when it's used at the beginning of a sentence it applies to the {.i} and consequently the whole bridi. But if you were to say {ma'a reroi xu cipygau lo xumymetano} I think that would be right. At least, I believe it's right with regards to where the {xu} is. I'm not sure whether {cipygau} means what I want it to and I'm not sure if {xumymetano} is a valid fu'ivla for "methanol". More simply "are we going to the store *twice*?" would be {ma'a reroi xu klama lo zarci} I believe. On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Ian Johnson wrote: > Today I asked my lab instructor: > So we're testing with methanol* twice*? > (The emphasis in text is stronger than it actually is in voice, but you get > the idea). In other words, I knew we were testing with methanol, was pretty > sure we were doing it twice, but was not 100% sure about the twice part. > This intuitively seems somewhat similar to a {ma} question (more so than > many other English questions), in that you basically state an ordinary > sentence but are asking someone to fill in a blank. However, you also have a > guess. This means that if "we're testing with methanol twice" is true, then > the answer should be "yes" (maybe "yes, twice"), but if "we're testing with > methanol once" is true then the answer should be "no, once." > > Does Lojban have an analogous "fill-in-the-blank or verify that my filling > is correct" mechanism? If so, how do you use it? My guess was (if there > isn't a specific mechanism for this) that you would use a combination of a > connective question and another question word, making a possible structure > of: > do ji ma > (I can't think of a specific example here for whatever reason, and my > example above is probably somewhat beyond my level for other reasons). > Would this work? > > mu'omi'e latros. > --0016e6469260e4572b0480d45fcd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I believe {xu} will work for your purposes. =A0{xu} applies to the previous= word or the construct that that word begins. =A0So when it's used at t= he beginning of a sentence it applies to the {.i} and consequently the whol= e bridi. =A0But if you were to say {ma'a reroi xu cipygau lo xumymetano= } I think that would be right. =A0At least, I believe it's right with r= egards to where the {xu} is. =A0I'm not sure whether {cipygau} means wh= at I want it to and I'm not sure if {xumymetano} is a valid fu'ivla= for "methanol".

More simply "are we going to the store twice?&qu= ot; would be {ma'a reroi xu klama lo zarci} I believe.

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
Today I asked my lab instructor:
So we&#= 39;re testing with methanol twice?
(The emphasis in text is stro= nger than it actually is in voice, but you get the idea). In other words, I= knew we were testing with methanol, was pretty sure we were doing it twice= , but was not 100% sure about the twice part. This intuitively seems somewh= at similar to a {ma} question (more so than many other English questions), = in that you basically state an ordinary sentence but are asking someone to = fill in a blank. However, you also have a guess. This means that if "w= e're testing with methanol twice" is true, then the answer should = be "yes" (maybe "yes, twice"), but if "we're t= esting with methanol once" is true then the answer should be "no,= once."

Does Lojban have an analogous "fill-in-the-blank or verify that my= filling is correct" mechanism? If so, how do you use it? My guess was= (if there isn't a specific mechanism for this) that you would use a co= mbination of a connective question and another question word, making a poss= ible structure of:
do <selbri> <x2 sumti> ji ma
(I can't think of a specifi= c example here for whatever reason, and my example above is probably somewh= at beyond my level for other reasons).
Would this work?

mu'o= mi'e latros.

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