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As for gismu, 19 * 61 =3D 1342, so you could do nineteen decks of sixty-one words each. or, if you take out the 54 cultural gismu, 8 * 161 =3D 1288; eight 161-word decks. co'o mi'e korbi On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:29, Leo Molas wrote: > El 30/03/2010 07:31 p.m., Robin Lee Powell escribi=F3: > > As far as I know, it can do neither of those things. > > > > -Robin > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 12:17:16PM -0700, Christopher Doty wrote: > >> This is pretty fun, and far more effective, I think, than quizlet.com! > >> > >> One thought--I don't know if this is (easily) change-able, but when it > asks > >> multiple choice questions, it gives options like, say, "lo cusku, lo > melbi, > >> lo te nelci," etc. Since the gismu in each "chunk" seems to be the > same, it > >> would be easy to pick out the right one without actually learning the > rest > >> of the place structures. This could be made a bit harder by having, f= or > >> each gismu, all of the options that are only for that gismu. So, > "cusku" > >> would have multiple choice answers "lo cusku, lo se cusku, lo te cusku= , > lo > >> ve cusku," so that you'd really have to learn the various places and > what > >> they mean. > >> > >> But, yeah, fun! > >> > >> I do agree that we should get more people to record stuff so that ther= e > is > >> not only a real human voice in there, but it would also be awesome if > >> smart.fm could randomly pull any one from a list of sound files so > people > >> could hear some variability. > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 09:18, Leo Molas wrote: > >> > >>> El 30/03/2010 11:34 a.m., Jonathan Jones escribi=F3: > >>>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Leo Molas >>>> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> El 29/03/2010 06:03 p.m., Robin Lee Powell escribi=F3: > >>>> > perhaps we should keep a record of the already > >>>> recorded words. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> The list that was used to create the lessons is located at: > >>>> http://tinyurl.com/simplifiedgismu, you're > >>>> welcome to use it for that purpose. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. > >>>> > >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > >>> > >>> > >>> Great. I'll do that. > >>> > >>> BTW, I don't really like the "expanded" lessons, with "lo", "lo se", > so, > >>> I hope anyone minds if I only do gismu's. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> My lojban journal: http://learninglojban.wordpress.com > >>> My personal blog: http://leomolas.tumblr.com > >>> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com= . > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > >> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > >> > > > > And what about making subsets of the gismu are more often used? I think > quizlet.com had something like that (and it would be really great, in > order to not force newbies - like me - to memorize odd gismu) > > mu'o mi'e .leos. > > -- > My lojban journal: http://learninglojban.wordpress.com > My personal blog: http://leomolas.tumblr.com > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --00504502b6726fa1b9048310bbea Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
yea, the japanese lessons have things split up into ten de= cks of 200 cards, ordered by frequency.

<needless pur= suit of even divisors>

As for gismu, 19 * 61 =3D = 1342, so you could do nineteen decks of sixty-one words each.

or, if you take out the 54 cultural gismu, 8 * 161 =3D 1288;= eight 161-word decks.

co'o mi'e korbi

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10= :29, Leo Molas <leos.molas@gmail.com> wrote:
El 30/03/2010 07:31 p.m., Robin Lee Powell = escribi=F3:
> As far as I know, it can do neither = of those things.
>
> -Robin
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 12:17:16PM -0700, Christopher Doty wrote:
>> This is pretty fun, and far more effective, I think, than quizlet.com!
>>
>> One thought--I don't know if this is (easily) change-able, but= when it asks
>> multiple choice questions, it gives options like, say, "lo cu= sku, lo melbi,
>> lo te nelci," etc. =A0Since the gismu in each "chunk&quo= t; seems to be the same, it
>> would be easy to pick out the right one without actually learning = the rest
>> of the place structures. =A0This could be made a bit harder by hav= ing, for
>> each gismu, all of the options that are only for that gismu. =A0So= , "cusku"
>> would have multiple choice answers "lo cusku, lo se cusku, lo= te cusku, lo
>> ve cusku," so that you'd really have to learn the various= places and what
>> they mean.
>>
>> But, yeah, fun!
>>
>> I do agree that we should get more people to record stuff so that = there is
>> not only a real human voice in there, but it would also be awesome= if
>> smart.fm could r= andomly pull any one from a list of sound files so people
>> could hear some variability.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 09:18, Leo Molas <leos.molas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> El 30/03/2010 11:34 a.m., Jonathan Jones escribi=F3:
>>>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Leo Molas <leos.molas@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:leos.mo= las@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> =A0 =A0 El 29/03/2010 06:03 p.m., Robin Lee Powell escribi= =F3:
>>>> =A0 =A0 > <snip>perhaps we should keep a record o= f the already
>>>> =A0 =A0 recorded words.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The list that was used to create the lessons is located at= :
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/simplifiedgismu, you're
>>>> welcome to use it for that purpose.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>
>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>
>>>
>>> Great. I'll do that.
>>>
>>> BTW, I don't really like the "expanded" lessons,= with "lo", "lo se", so,
>>> I hope anyone minds if I only do gismu's.
>>>
>>> --
>>> My lojban journal: http://learninglojban.wordpress.com
>>> My personal blog: http://leomolas.tumblr.com
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
>

And what about making subsets of the gismu are more often used?= I think
quizlet.com had someth= ing like that (and it would be really great, in
order to not force newbies - like me - to memorize odd gismu)

mu'o mi'e .leos.

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