From blindbravado@gmail.com Tue Mar 02 13:32:53 2010 Received: from mail-ew0-f222.google.com ([209.85.219.222]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NmZhx-0001mX-VO for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:32:53 -0800 Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so614643ewy.26 for ; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:32:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=tduOCDFtcN8iB6VTUikRJ3Bft7A8rv9BZNU8sVszaDA=; b=MMKK+zaT64gnAZBbY7xWqEVraMxFDa3iEz97+Z7acfCT3s3R1CfbxfgYqB03urR1kg R2/lQbu52gjilmXz45Y4iE8X3OFr9TMvS3Qlu8dOO4aDZyPuknlLfo22YRC3WFsVIyMk oOKV+P1Vx6AS9kWkQ17QDPhrCNIWG+mQMWjbk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=GCAsm3aJdS682uMqYqxU6HShucUnyd+FHFncjFnuiR4srgdZ72MRR2sg3KtlmdKwtM TtXmh7uCMLR+PuPKEh7x4kMWSpk20FqZHui0HACT5SQZb4NiEXZtqP7clnXm1q2IPMSa mUDXsAqJ7cl4mDwH8sjnjSukL7mOk6zZ7CyXg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.52.205 with SMTP id j13mr1334710ebg.75.1267565561700; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:32:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <925d17561003021201r4a148ce2h308e9c00a6b0ae04@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f1080831003020851r6ef490f6ydf450d55606dedb1@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301003020905o337c4d48v5160b5f407cd9858@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003020925y71c7f15dwca7b88e469bae65c@mail.gmail.com> <1f1080831003021016p1f8af572k73b347fe33316cde@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a61003021041x2ea00717g5613b30ec0ab4e26@mail.gmail.com> <1f1080831003021150k13428be6wb3df52224e1961ad@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003021201r4a148ce2h308e9c00a6b0ae04@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 16:32:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1f1080831003021332x1c6e02f9g3770db60951959aa@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Asking specific questions From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00148531a846090a1f0480d81bb6 --00148531a846090a1f0480d81bb6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So in the previous instance you have the x1 place as zo'e (and thus taken t= o be from the previous sentence) and then you fill in the x2 place as being l= o mi zdani. To make a silly but more general example, just to make sure I understand: mi'o klama lo zdani lo solri xu might a reasonable answer (ignoring the ridiculousness of the original question, and the litany of attitudinals that would fly out from the respondent in reality) be: go'i fi lo zarci ? mu'omi'e latros. 2010/3/2 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Ian Johnson > wrote: > > OK. So how does go'i work, exactly, in the case of "go'i lo mi zdani"? > > Ordinarily it repeats the previous {bridi}, yes, and if you give it an > > article it can be used to refer back to a particular {sumti} in the > previous > > {bridi} (as in, say, le se go'i). But what happens here, logically? > > "go'i" is a selbri, so strictly speaking it repeats the selbri of the > previous bridi, but a selbri can always be a bridi by itself, and the > missing "zo'e"s are usually taken to be the same arguments as those of > the previous bridi, so the effect is as if you had repeated the whole > bridi. But you can always fill any argument of "go'i" with something > explicit, such as "lo mi zdani", in which case that argument will no > longer be the corresponding one from the preceding bridi. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > > --00148531a846090a1f0480d81bb6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So in the previous instance you have the x1 place as zo'e (and thus tak= en to be from the previous sentence) and then you fill in the x2 place as b= eing lo mi zdani. To make a silly but more general example, just to make su= re I understand:
mi'o klama lo zdani lo solri xu
might a reasonable answer (ignoring = the ridiculousness of the original question, and the litany of attitudinals= that would fly out from the respondent in reality) be:
go'i fi lo z= arci
?

mu'omi'e latros.

2010/3/= 2 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote: > OK. So how does go'i work, exactly, in the case of "go'i = lo mi zdani"?
> Ordinarily it repeats the previous {bridi}, yes, and if you give it an=
> article it can be used to refer back to a particular {sumti} in the pr= evious
> {bridi} (as in, say, le se go'i). But what happens here, logically= ?

"go'i" is a selbri, so strictly speaking it repeats the= selbri of the
previous bridi, but a selbri can always be a bridi by itself, and the
missing "zo'e"s are usually taken to be the same arguments as= those of
the previous bridi, so the effect is as if you had repeated the whole
bridi. But you can always fill any argument of "go'i" with so= mething
explicit, such as "lo mi zdani", in which case that argument will= no
longer be the corresponding one from the preceding bridi.

mu'o mi'e xorxes




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