From jwodder@sdf.lonestar.org Tue Mar 02 14:17:16 2010 Received: from ol.freeshell.org ([192.94.73.20] helo=sdf.lonestar.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NmaOn-0007u2-Sx for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 14:17:16 -0800 Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:jwodder@sverige.freeshell.org [192.94.73.4]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o22MGsPR022343 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 22:16:54 GMT Received: (from jwodder@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.12.8/Submit) id o22MGsO4029998 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 22:16:54 GMT Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 22:16:54 +0000 From: Minimiscience To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Asking specific questions Message-ID: <20100302221651.GA22422@sdf.lonestar.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org References: <1f1080831003020851r6ef490f6ydf450d55606dedb1@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301003020905o337c4d48v5160b5f407cd9858@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003020925y71c7f15dwca7b88e469bae65c@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301003021049p6b332d66r6f6b3e9de8fbc8a3@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003021058h471a4e6ft542178ad0f246b2c@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301003021110o1186b4b6pf68a281a0260acd9@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5715b9301003021110o1186b4b6pf68a281a0260acd9@mail.gmail.com> Organization: SDF Public Access UNIX System User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) de'i li 02 pi'e 03 pi'e 2010 la'o fy. Luke Bergen .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > ..... what happened to rigid rules of morphology so that you always know > when you're dealing with a brivla vs a cmavo cluster vs. a cmevla vs. > etc...? > > Is there no hope of fixing these exceptions? It rubs me the wrong way that > the logical language would have exceptions. .skamyxatra I'm not entirely sure what "exceptions" xorxes was referring to, but I can't think of any that actually break any prior rules. All of the {fu'ivla} listed on jbovlaste have a consonant pair in the first five letters, with the possible exceptions of a few words that break the rule if & only if you count apostrophes & leading periods as letters (which you're not supposed to do for the purposes of the rule). As for sequences with CCs in the first five letters that aren't {brivla}, just look at {cmene}. I honestly have no idea what xorxes had in mind, but the only non-erroneous interpretation of his e-mail that makes any sense to me is that you shouldn't just blindly put all of your trust in the five-letter rule. If there actually are any Lojban utterances that subvert the whole of the {brivla} morphology, I would very much like to see them. mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. -- do la terjvi ganai pensi gi fliba