From phma@phma.optus.nu Wed Mar 10 21:27:58 2010 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.123]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Npaw5-000607-Fn for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:27:58 -0800 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=lZdWkxxt7xwA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=rJMoepG4IrpXtk0jsbAA:9 a=witlLDK1mIkt3KAGH4QA:7 a=9rwwYeBXpJEtKE0NIjRBefMtkpsA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:39129] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id C5/9C-22814-15F789B4; Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:27:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECAE9A4DB for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2010 00:27:44 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Duration questions Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 00:27:39 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <1f1080831003101520r1e87f21cuacb4cd23fa9a2d4c@mail.gmail.com> <12d58c161003101532q3bf8ca8exc72b1fb3c5bcc9c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <12d58c161003101532q3bf8ca8exc72b1fb3c5bcc9c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201003110027.41498.phma@phma.optus.nu> On Wednesday 10 March 2010 18:32:18 komfo,amonan wrote: > I take {ze'a} (and its kin {za}, {ve'a}, and {va}) to mean not only > "medium", but also "unspecified". Others follow this usage as well, even > though it's not strictly in accordance with the definition. So, {[.i ti > zdani mi ze'a] lo cabdei} is a reasonable answer to the question. I agree. This is one of several things called "markedness" in linguistics. = In=20 Lojban, the middle degree is unmarked. In English, there is no middle degre= e,=20 and "long" is unmarked. The unmarked degree is used in questions, unless yo= u=20 know in advance that the marked degree applies. So "How short have you been= =20 living in this house?" implies that you already know that it has been a sho= rt=20 time. Pierre =2D-=20 When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. J=E1 n=E3o percebe nada, j=E1 n=E3o percebe nada.